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Re: NL 20

Neznam koji bi hand villan tu betao za blef (rijetko ce 43, 56 i sl handove pretvarat na riveru na NL10), sumnjam da flouta sa zrakom 2 streeta, ali obzirom na size beta ispatio bi ga (i vjerojatno bi pokazao AJ il nes slicno)..  bet/fold (1/3 pota) mi je najdrazi, a i c/f mi je ok ali ipak gubimo nesto value od 6x, 77-99 handova..

Zadnji popravljao Tonac (09-12-2011 20:51:43)

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Re: NL 20

Ovisno o wtsd i agf na riveru. Ovako ne mogu puno pametnog reci i po defaultu je blizu i c/f i cc i bf.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Re: NL 20

Rear_Admiral napisao:

Ovisno o wtsd i agf na riveru. Ovako ne mogu puno pametnog reci i po defaultu je blizu i c/f i cc i bf.

koji %  agr freq je recimo ispod i iznad prosjecnog, da bi po tome mogli odluciti na riveru?

Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (10-12-2011 13:03:25)

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20% i manje na riveru je uvijek za value, a ako je preko 30%, ima dosta bluffa u rangeu

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Vec je i 25% dosta za bluffove.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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I wtsd je isto vazan sto je Rear gore spomenuo, ali sve to treba gledat u kolektivu sa ostalim statsima, nije isto 30% Af  kod 10/9, 22/18 ili 35/20 villana..

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Re: NL 20

vilian igra 50/17/0.7 dosta pasivan ,
totalno sam se zbunio na turnu nisam znao dal da betam jos jednom zbog FD ili check i ako nedobim full na riveru check/fold

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

BTN ($20)
SB ($25.49)
BB ($6.9)
UTG (Hero) ($40.99)
MP ($19.27)
CO ($27.97)

Dealt to UTG (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG (Hero) raises to $0.6, MP & CO & BTN & SB fold, BB calls $0.4

Flop: (Pot is $1.3, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png
BB checks, UTG (Hero) bets $0.97, BB calls $0.97

Turn: (Pot is $3.24, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png
BB checks

River: (Pot is $3.24, 2 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $3.24 | Rake: $3.24




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mislim da su statsi ovdje manje bitni,plan mi je bio c/r CO, a ovako kad je i sb callao jel bolje tu isto raisati ili samo call?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

CO ($20.2)
BTN ($25.72)
SB ($13.11)
BB (Hero) ($20)
UTG ($19.37)
MP ($20)

Dealt to BB (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG calls $0.2, MP folds, CO raises to $0.9, BTN folds, SB calls $0.8, BB (Hero) calls $0.7, UTG calls $0.7

Flop: (Pot is $3.6, 4 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png
SB checks, BB (Hero) checks, UTG checks, CO bets $3, SB calls $3

Turn: (Pot is $9.6, 4 players)


River: (Pot is $9.6, 4 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $9.6 | Rake: $9.6

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Re: NL 20

rejz

When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
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Re: NL 20

1. BB je short tako da bet/call i bet river ako ne zgura turn, da bi bio 100bb deep onda bet/fold i vbet non spade river

2. Bitni su statsi ali ugl raise flop i zastackas se.. ako si planirao c/r CO-a sad kad SB calla imas jos bolji spot IMO

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Re: NL 20

prvi hend bi radije betal jer ne volim c/c u ovoj situaciji protiv ovakvog igrača i s obzirom na njegov stack...
drugi hend bi rejzal i stackoffal, jer kad callaš i ako hitaš nečeš vjerovatno uzet cijeli stack, a ovako ti mogu i foldat što ti paše, ako callaju imaš monster draw i uzimaš cijeli stack ili 2 kad hitaš..

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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Re: NL 20

jel sam trebao rejzati koji street,i ovako odigrano jel call river?
igra 19/17/4.1 kad je doso do rivera cbet mu je 100%(4)

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

UTG ($20.15)
CO ($20.96)
BTN ($13.44)
SB ($20)
BB (Hero) ($20)

Dealt to BB (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG & CO & BTN fold, SB raises to $0.6, BB (Hero) calls $0.4

Flop: (Pot is $1.2, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png
SB bets $0.8, BB (Hero) calls $0.8

Turn: (Pot is $2.8, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png
SB bets $1.8, BB (Hero) calls $1.8

River: (Pot is $6.4, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png
SB bets $4.8

                                                                     
Total Pot: $11.2 | Rake: $11.2




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Re: NL 20

ne, dobro je što nisi rejzao al ja bi foldao ovaj river.

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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Re: NL 20

mislim da je dobro odigrano...

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meni se čini ok, river je fold protiv ovakvoga brijem

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kriss napisao:

mislim da je dobro odigrano...

sad sam tek skonto da nisam napiso sta bi na riveru... ja bi vjerojatno callao al neznam dali je ispravno...

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Re: NL 20

ako mislis da si jaci na turnu onda bi trebao biti jaci i na riveru...
ali prekjucer sam odigrao isti taj hand, onak za nevjerovati, sve isto i
lik je pokazao AA tako da fold river  big_smile

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Fold river

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Re: NL 20

zanima me zasto fold river??? sta ga beata na riveru a da ga ne beata na turnu osim 89??? jel nije onda bolje foldat vec turn??? mislim da ak calla flop, mora callat i turn, a onda mora i river jbg...

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Re: NL 20

ja sam callao samo zato sto je imo taj river cbet 100%  i poprilicno agr je,inace bi fold

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Re: NL 20

Slažem se jednim dijelom da kad callamo turn, poprilično često razmišljamo i callat river, ali uvijek trebamo dati respect 3. barelu pogotovo kad na riveru dođe ova karta-J za koju i protivnik zna ili bi trebao znati da ju ne može barellati za bluff jer mu tu često ne bacaš ništa što nisi bacio na turnu. Ako to imamo na umu, onda trebamo još više kredita dati njegovom river betu jer će i on rijetko betat ovdje za bluff i često smo ovdje behind.

Nowdays, at financial crisis, I dont give people to much kredit for second and third barrel!
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Re: NL 20

kriss napisao:

zanima me zasto fold river??? sta ga beata na riveru a da ga ne beata na turnu osim 89???

Nije problem u tome sto ga beata na turn, a ne na riveru vec u tome sto villian beta na riveru, a sto cekira. Vecina toga sto beta na riveru nas beata. Mislim da villian na NL20 nikad nece thin vbetat river sa Tx u ovoj situaciji.

kriss napisao:

jel nije onda bolje foldat vec turn???

Na turnu ce jos betat Tx slabije od nase, a i mozda ce betat neki random cisto zato sto se board spario ocekivajuci da mi foldamo nase drawove, floatove itd.

kriss napisao:

mislim da ak calla flop, mora callat i turn, a onda mora i river jbg...

Mislim da ne.

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Re: NL 20

Koliko steala sa SB-a, koliko je agro post i dali imate kakav history SB vs BB.. mislim da o tome ovisi river play

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Re: NL 20

igra 38/22/1.1 fold to cbet 38% ,raise cbet 25%(2/8)
kak bi odigrali turn,gurnuti all in ili uzeti free kartu i odustati ak nedode?
i jel sam trebao na flopu poslije njegovog rejza odma all in otic posto nema fullstack,mislim isto bi zavrsilo ali...?
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

UTG (Hero) ($26.81)
MP ($4.06)
CO ($20)
BTN ($16.77)
SB ($20.1)
BB ($4)

Dealt to UTG (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG (Hero) raises to $0.6, MP & CO fold, BTN calls $0.6, SB & BB fold

Flop: (Pot is $1.5, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png
UTG (Hero) bets $0.8, BTN raises to $2.2, UTG (Hero) raises to $5.8, BTN calls $3.6

Turn: (Pot is $13.1, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3S.png
UTG (Hero) bets $10, BTN raises to $10.37 (All-In), UTG (Hero) calls $0.37

River: (Pot is $33.84, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3S.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png

Showdown:
UTG (Hero) shows
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png
(High Cards, Ace Queen high)

BTN shows
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png
(Three of a Kind, Sevens)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $33.84 | Rake: $1.69

Winners:
BTN wins $32.15

Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (18-12-2011 01:17:18)

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jace bi betao flop i malo jace raisao njegov raise da ga mozes lakse stackat na turnu, inace standard imo... samo jeben ti je bet ovaj 10, a ima 10.37 big_smile, zugraj ga tu obv...

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