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fold negdje, mozda cak odmah flop

Zadnji popravljao Tilt (05-02-2013 19:41:29)

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Kolko god ovo sick zvučalo, ipak je najbolji play. Kaj može nit prvo callati na flopu, a onda nakon tvog rejza min3betati?

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samo 44 ?

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sto se tice ovog gore henda,posto mislim da JJ 3beta pf jedini hend koji moze imat su 3 kombinacije 44 hmm ali posto nista drugo nije mogo imat,ST tako neigra,FD nema,overparove 3beta pf,pure bluff nikada ovako...naravno da sam reko sam sebi i na flopu i turnu i riveru "ima 44" ali posto ja ucim na tezi nacim i moram se opeci najprije par puta dok neskuzim da je to fakat tako...obv je okrenuo 44...
pitanje,dal je to sa 44 easy call?mislim da cemo rijetko naletit na JJ posto nije 3bet pf,al mozda ponekad ne 3beta vs nekog nita i onda beatamo 33?

ovaj dole hend me zbunio hmm isto deep
24/17/10 AF 1.4
ako call,sta radimo na blank river?

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

BTN ($19.37)
SB ($16.23)
BB ($5.01)
UTG ($17.06)
MP (MichBjukenon) ($20.33)
CO ($10)

Dealt to MP (MichBjukenon)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG folds, MP (MichBjukenon) raises to $0.3, CO folds, BTN calls $0.3, SB & BB fold

Flop: (Pot is $0.75, 2 players)

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MP (MichBjukenon) bets $0.55, BTN calls $0.55

Turn: (Pot is $1.85, 2 players)

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MP (MichBjukenon) bets $1.43, BTN raises to $3.9

River: (Pot is $7.18, 2 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $7.18 | Rake: $7.18

Zadnji popravljao Mich_Bjukenon (06-02-2013 09:23:36)

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Sa 44 imaš 3 kombinacije koje sigurno beataš. Recimo na primjer da nikad ne 3beta JJ. Onda si točno 50-50, a zbog love koja je već unutra nemožeš foldati.

@novi hand
Rijetko kad si dobar tu. Fold,

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roba59 napisao:

Rijetko kad si dobar tu. Fold,

to sam foldao,a sad kad gledam ovaj set gore bi trebal lakse foldat nego ovo smile al ok...

hvala na odgovorima ..

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Re: from donkaments to mid stakes

Evo update,odigrano 50k na nl10 zoom,prilicno sam zadovoljan iako moze dosta bolje..skuzio sam tek sad ga gubim puno $$$ na BBu,zasto,neznam,mozda previse 3betam pa tu pusim ili nesto drugo?jel trebam smanjit 3bet sa blindova i povecat sa BTN?prosirit range sa CO i MP?
mislio sam na 50k stavit 1 stol nl25 i 3 nl10 ali pricekat cu jos ~20k pa cemo onda ubacit ak ce sve ic svojim tokom smile

btw,kolki je dobar bb/100 na nl10 ?


http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4401/nl1050k.jpg

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koliko igras stolova i koliko ti je vremenski trebalo za 50k ruku ?
btw cestitke na lijepo grafu  smile

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4 stola,tocno 2 tjedna danas..znaci nekih 3,5k hendova dnevno..ty

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A ovako na prvu, vjerojatno previše gubiš na BB jer prečesto dođeš do showdowna sa slabijom rukom, a pošto ti je agg najmanja na BB onda vjerojatno ne gubiš lovu blefajući već lošim callovima.

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Evo mali update,poceo sam igrat 1 stol nl25 i sad sve ide super,napravio 10BI+ na 2k ruku nakon onog prvog down-a. Odigrat cu jos 5-10k na nl10 i ak ce sve ic dobro nadam se da cu do kraja mjeseca skroz prec na nl25 smile wish me luck...

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2985/nl10zoom.png

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/8683/nl25zoom.png

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Re: from donkaments to mid stakes

Dosta callaš 3bet... mislim moguće da je to ok s obzirom da si više tajt pa češće imaš hand kad te 3betaju (al opet kad te 3betaju, vjerojatnije da i oni imaju hand nego kad 3betaju nekog više loose). Također. WTSD je dost velik.
Nemogu reći da su ovo greške jer ne pridajem previše pažnje brojevima, ali kod drugih igrača su ovi statsi manji.

Zadnji popravljao AlphaScorpii (17-02-2013 13:33:57)

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AlphaScorpii napisao:

Dosta callaš 3bet

pa ovo radim uglavnom s BTN,CO i MP kad me 3betaju blindovi(naravno oni koji imaju relativno velik 3bet s blindova),odnosno kad imam poziciju i relativno dobar hend,tipa AQ,AJ,KQ ponekad KJ,i neke PP,e sad ono kaj mene zanima odnosno ono kaj neznam jer kolko nam se isplati setmineat u poziciji kad nas 3betaju,tu sam malo izgubljen pa moguce da i od tud taj veliki vs3bet call...
a sta se tice WTSD stvarno neznam,bas cu probat usporedit prvih 30k hendova s ovih zadnjih 40k da vidim kolko se razlikuju statsi jer na paocetku je bilo svega smile

da,zadnjih 20k igram 21/18/6 i vs3betcall mi je 24 al WTSD mi je isti hmm

Zadnji popravljao Mich_Bjukenon (17-02-2013 16:52:38)

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Mich_Bjukenon napisao:

e sad ono kaj mene zanima odnosno ono kaj neznam jer kolko nam se isplati setmineat u poziciji kad nas 3betaju

isplati se ako je 3betor nit i ima mali 3bet stat. onda ti rastu implajdi i ako pogodis set imas velike sanse da ces se naplatit.
ako je loose 3betor rjetko ces se naplatit i bolje je 4betat ili foldat.

kad si deep uvijek je dobro set majnat.

Zadnji popravljao whitewalk3r (18-02-2013 09:23:17)

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update: prebacio sam se skroz na nl25,jos zasad igram samo 2 stola,naknadno cu ubacit vise ak cu igrat dobro...malo me zapeglala varijanca sd zadnjih 10k pa sad radim na tome da se lagano vratim na stare staze smile odradio i jedan coaching sa kolegom s foruma tako da nema straha,nadam se da cu do kraja 3. mjeseca biti na nl50 smile


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evo i jedna ruka
nema noteova
23/21/9.4 utg open 23%
flopcbet 94%(33) turn 38%(13)
af 16.3 70% 30% 25%
WTSD 9%(56) W$SD 80%(5)

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.25

BTN (MichBjukenon) ($75.6)
SB ($14.55)
BB ($12.4)
UTG ($25)
MP ($34.74)
CO ($17.65)

Dealt to BTN (MichBjukenon)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.35)

UTG raises to $0.75, MP & CO fold, BTN (MichBjukenon) calls $0.75, SB & BB fold

Flop: (Pot is $1.85, 2 players)

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UTG bets $1.5, BTN (MichBjukenon) calls $1.5

Turn: (Pot is $4.85, 2 players)

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UTG bets $4.25, BTN (MichBjukenon) calls $4.25

River: (Pot is $13.35, 2 players)

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UTG bets $11.25, BTN (MichBjukenon) folds

                                                                     
Total Pot: $24.6 | Rake: $24.6

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dobar mi je tu 3bet preflop, as played raisao bih turn

ili jesi ili nisi
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nisam 3betao pf jer mislim da me nece callat oop nego cu dobit 4bet il fold,a turn sam mislio rejzat bilo koji club il callat turn i river da je dosao brick...

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da, river je def težak call, ovako kako si odigrao raise flop ili turn

ili jesi ili nisi
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da, river je def težak call, ovako kako si odigrao raise flop ili turn

ili jesi ili nisi
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nebi 3betao pre flop,ni rejzao flop ili turn jer je villian utg i tight mu je range,nastavlja samo s jacim,
river bi callao posto kad turn 2.barela ima sve AXdd,AXcc u rangeu,a K mu je dobra bluff karta ali ga ne pogada toliko koliko bi A recimo

Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (28-02-2013 20:00:03)

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Sizing na turnu mi vuče na value, a i nije neki pretjerani rvr agresivac, jel možda brzo betao river? Ima solidan broj value handova u rangeu, 3 KK, 6 KQ, 3AA, QQ, setovi. Ja se dvoumim, a sve ovisi o tome kako ga percipiraš, ti najbolje znaš jer je borderline call, ako misliš da ekipa dosta opena Ax suited UTG onda više call. Problem je u tome da ima visok flop cbet i ne razmišlja koje bordove će cbetati, tak da sumnjam da puno kuži o river karti. Više mi vuče na fold.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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ivan031 napisao:

kad turn 2.barela ima sve AXdd,AXcc u rangeu

Ac je kod nas tak da mislim da mu je KXcc u rangeu isto,i naravno ovo sve kaj je rear napisao

Rear_Admiral napisao:

jel možda brzo betao river?

betao je svaki street u sekundi..
isto tako mislim da i ak ima Ax u rangeu da ga nebeta tak jako na flopu,mislim na AXdd posto AXc je kod nas..

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Treba nam oko 30% da bi call bio dobar. Treba to stovati (sad mi se neda, mozda budem kasnije). Al ovak na prvu mi se čini da je call.

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Neznam kolko je ekipa na NL25 u stanje ovako izbarrelat bez handa i ako je, svejedno mislim da ćeš ovdje u velikoj večini slučajeva gledati u jači hand. Njegov bet size na turnu mi također ne izgleda STD za te limite i vrišti mi monster ili monster draw. Ja bi fold...

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3betor unknown
stavit cu cijeli hend jer je ionako ocito zakaj ga stavljam,znaci lik iza ima jaci flush,dal mozemo foldat ovo?
dali cemo ikad viđat da ovo rade s AsXx ili setovima?
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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.25

BTN ($11.62)
SB ($25)
BB ($19.25)
UTG (MichBjukenon) ($27.79)
MP ($27.29)
CO ($13.96)

Dealt to UTG (MichBjukenon)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7S.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.35)

UTG (MichBjukenon) raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, CO & BTN fold, SB calls $0.65, BB folds

Flop: (Pot is $2.5, 3 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png
SB bets $1.25, UTG (MichBjukenon) raises to $4, MP raises to $8.5, SB folds, UTG (MichBjukenon) raises to $27.04 (All-In), MP calls $18.04 (All-In),

Turn: (Pot is $56.83, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png

River: (Pot is $56.83, 2 players, 1 all-in)

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Showdown:
UTG (MichBjukenon) shows
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7S.png
(Flush, King high)

MP shows
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png
(Flush, Ace high)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $56.83 | Rake: $2

Winners:
MP wins $54.83

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