Tema: Tripsi vs fisha

Imam samo 13 handova na njemu, al je ocigledno fish, 54/8 AF=4, 3BET=16

Stavljam ove handove jer mi je samopouzdanje ukurcu i nisam vise u nista siguran..  hmm

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

BTN ($50.55)
SB ($51.35)
BB (Turcin1989) ($97)
UTG ($51.2)

Dealt to BB (Turcin1989)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG & BTN fold, SB calls $0.25, BB (Turcin1989) raises to $2, SB calls $1.5

Flop: (Pot is $4, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png
SB checks, BB (Turcin1989) bets $3, SB calls $3

Turn: (Pot is $10, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png
SB checks, BB (Turcin1989) bets $7.5, SB raises to $15

River: (Pot is $32.5, 2 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $32.5 | Rake: $32.5




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Re: Tripsi vs fisha

Call, pa kad beta an riveru shove.

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Re: Tripsi vs fisha

Call i call river.

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Re: Tripsi vs fisha

nh sir  smile

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

BTN ($50.55)
SB ($51.35)
BB (Turcin1989) ($97)
UTG ($51.2)

Dealt to BB (Turcin1989)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG & BTN fold, SB calls $0.25, BB (Turcin1989) raises to $2, SB calls $1.5

Flop: (Pot is $4, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png
SB checks, BB (Turcin1989) bets $3, SB calls $3

Turn: (Pot is $10, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png
SB checks, BB (Turcin1989) bets $7.5, SB raises to $15, BB (Turcin1989) calls $7.5

River: (Pot is $40, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png
SB bets $31.35 (All-In), BB (Turcin1989) calls $31.35

Showdown:
SB shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png
(Full House, Kings over Tens)

BB (Turcin1989) has
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png
(Three of a Kind, Tens)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $102.7 | Rake: $2

Winners:
SB wins $100.7




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Re: Tripsi vs fisha

neznam koliko je ovo bitno u ovom spotu i na ovom odredjenom limitu ali trebali bi se igraci malo cesce pitati kako protivnik percipira njihov hand

dakle primjer u ovom handu

da hero ima AK, KQ, KX... betao bi flop, villain calla
turn spari middle kartu u ovom slucaju T, i villain checkira.. sto mi radimo sa K? po defaultu prob check zar ne?
a u kojem slucaju betamo? samo kada imamo T ili air? ili sa T i fullovima?

dakle kada mi betamo ovaj turn na boardu koji prakticki nema drawova, tj bar nema equity monstera koji ce c/r na karti koja sparuje board, nas hand vise nije tako lijep, zar ne?

nea veze sto je riba u pitanju nego jednostavno bet na ovu kartu na turnu je strasno polarizirajuci kod 99% igraca da je to tako exploitable.. u biti zelim reci da (mozda ne na ssnl) ali dalje ce igraci koji malo/puno bolje handreadaju, crushat soul svakome ko ne balansira range big_smile

shvacam da je to donekle nepotrebno u ovom spotu, ali mislim da je oke poceti razmisljati malo o balansu u ovakvim spotovima i nekom blef equityu koji mozemo dobiti od villaina

btw river fold i guess

a jesam ga natrabunjo

Zadnji popravljao hEadAche (20-06-2010 15:37:21)

I can't win if I fold?
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hEadAche napisao:

btw river fold i guess

sarkazam ?

imaj cvijetak u reveru, a u ruci bombonjeru...
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nije sarkazam..

cinjenice govore da je ovo izi fold, ali u igri je to ponekad dosta tesko napraviti..

da je c/r flop onda drugo, ali kao sto sam rekao turn c/r je superstrong i nikad nije QJ, sto je jedini "draw".. dakle nakon sto c/r turn i shova river, gledat ces cu full, jaci T ili mozda, ali mozda nekad u split, iako mi kombinatorika govori jako rijetko..

dakle ti uzimas ovaj pot jedino ako je poludio sa totalnim airom, i callas i molis se da ima T9 or so

I can't win if I fold?
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ove statse o njemu potpuno zanemarujemo ?

imaj cvijetak u reveru, a u ruci bombonjeru...
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...nebi nikad folda ovo protiv fisha...

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Re: Tripsi vs fisha

Nemožeš ovo foldat protiv njega. Isto tako je mogao tu imati AK ili AA. Isto bi odigrao jer on ima "monstera". A i slabiju T nemožeš isključiti.

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Re: Tripsi vs fisha

erm ja sam se nadodao na svoj prvi post, nisam govorio u vakumu vs ovog igraca

I can't win if I fold?
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ja ovakvu ribu ovde stavljam bez greske na malo jačeg kralja.
To sto si ti headache napisa je na nekom perverznom šestom thinking levelu, ali mozes ti sve zive formule napisat na plocu, zakljucit ovo je fold, al kad mu vidis 3bet 16 pa makar i na 13 ruku moras stisnut call.

Ja bi ovo sav sretan calla

Zadnji popravljao chillin (20-06-2010 17:02:47)

imaj cvijetak u reveru, a u ruci bombonjeru...
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Re: Tripsi vs fisha

na unl check/minraise na turnu je uvijek monster/nuts ako dolazi od ribe, a hero nije taj koji ima cisti nuts.

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u jednom handu neki dan ja imam AT na xTx boardu protiv takvog fiša, i stack ofam, on okrene TT, prvo sam mislio kak sam glup, da bi drugi dan (primjeri su iz glave ali tak nekak je bilo), isto bilo al mi okrene 99, TQ i sl. Kaj oču reći da je malo bolji igrač ajde al jednostavno prevelik je fiš za ovo bacit.

samo neznam zakaj si ga raiseao s tim handom, već ga imaš izoliranog, a imaš edge postflop pa brijem da ti je bolje da imaš više mjesta za manipulaciju, jer nemaš neke karte za gradit pot prf. često si midle par midle  kiker.

uglavnom takvi na kraju uvijek sve poklone nazad, imaš poziciju boli te patka.

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Re: Tripsi vs fisha

Pa necu mu checikrat JT na bb jbt..

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