Tema: Svizac zamotao čokoladu (10-Game)

Pozzzzz!

Iako većina forumaša igra uglavnom NL Holdem, čini se da ima interesa i za ostale poker varijante. Zato ću pokrenut topic u kojem ću postat handove iz nekih čudnih igara kao što su Seven Card Stud, No Limit Single Draw 2-7, Badugi, Limit Omaha H/L itd. Većina tih igara je prilično zabavna, ako ništa drugo onda za odmor od multitablanja 20 stolova NL Holdema big_smile

Što se igra: 10-Game
Gdje: Full Tilt Poker
Limit: $0,50/$1

Dakle 10-Game se sastoji od: No Limit 2-7 Single Draw, Fixed Limit 2-7 Triple Draw, Badugi, Fixed Limit Omaha H/L 8 or better, Pot Limit Omaha, No Limit Holdem, Fixed Limit Holdem,  Fixed Limit 7 Card Stud, Fixed Limit 7 Card Stud 8 or better, Fixed Limit Razz.
Big bet igre, NLHE i PLO se na 0,5/1 10-Game stolovima igraju sa blindovima 0,10/0,20. No Limit Single Draw se igra kao 0,10/0,20 + ante 0,05. Iako se ovdje fokusiram na manje popularne igre, postat ću svakako i NLHE i PLO handove ako bude zanimljivih.
Na 10-Game stolovima HUD ne radi tako da ne mogu postat nikakve statove. Jedino što imam je villianov image, tj. kako je igrao dosad (uglavnom različite igre).

Toliko za početak, molim što više komentara čak i onih kao "koja si ti ribetina" big_smile

EDIT:
pravila:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stud_poker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draw_poker

Zadnji popravljao Svizac (27-02-2011 20:29:34)

Just admitting you are a fish is a big step forward!
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evo da otvorim projekt jednim lijepim scoopom smile

Hand #1

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Limit Stud Hi/Lo $0.10 Ante - 4 players - View hand 1202851
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

3rd Street: (0.8 SB)
Seat 1:         xx xx 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif____Seat 1 folds
Hero:         6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif___Hero brings in for $0.15___Hero calls
Seat 3:         xx xx 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif____Seat 3 completes
Seat 5:         xx xx Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif____Seat 5 calls

4th Street: (3.8 SB) (3 players)
Hero:         6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif___Hero calls
Seat 3:         xx xx 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif____Seat 3 bets
Seat 5:         xx xx Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif____Seat 5 calls

5th Street: (3.4 BB) (3 players)
Hero:         6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif___Hero raises
Seat 3:         xx xx 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif____Seat 3 bets____Seat 3 calls
Seat 5:         xx xx Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif____Seat 5 calls____Seat 5 calls

6th Street: (9.4 BB) (3 players)
Hero:         6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif___Hero bets
Seat 3:         xx xx 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif____Seat 3 checks____Seat 3 calls
Seat 5:         xx xx Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif____Seat 5 checks____Seat 5 calls

7th Street: (12.4 BB) (3 players)
Hero:         6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif___Hero bets
Seat 3:         xx xx 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif xx____Seat 3 checks____Seat 3 calls
Seat 5:         xx xx Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif xx____Seat 5 checks____Seat 5 calls

Zadnji popravljao Svizac (26-02-2011 20:16:34)

Just admitting you are a fish is a big step forward!
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Hand #2

da betam pot na turnu?
drukčiji line na riveru?
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Full Tilt Poker, Pot-Limit Omaha Hi Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

SB ($20.79)
BB (Svizac28) ($27.88)
BTN ($17.21)

Dealt to BB (Svizac28)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

BTN calls $0.2, SB folds, BB (Svizac28) checks

Flop: (Pot is $0.5, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png
BB (Svizac28) bets $0.5, BTN calls $0.5

Turn: (Pot is $1.5, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png
BB (Svizac28) bets $1, BTN calls $1

River: (Pot is $3.5, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png
BB (Svizac28) checks, BTN bets $1.75, BB (Svizac28) calls $1.75

Zadnji popravljao Svizac (26-02-2011 20:08:33)

Just admitting you are a fish is a big step forward!
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Hand #3

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Limit Razz $0.10 Ante - 3 players - View hand 1202853
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

3rd Street: (0.6 SB)
Hero:         7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif___Hero completes
Seat 3:         xx xx 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif____Seat 3 calls
Seat 5:         xx xx Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif____Seat 5 brings in for $0.15____Seat 5 calls

4th Street: (3.6 SB) (3 players)
Hero:         7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif___Hero bets
Seat 3:         xx xx 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif____Seat 3 calls
Seat 5:         xx xx Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif____Seat 5 calls

5th Street: (3.3 BB) (3 players)
Hero:         7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif___Hero bets
Seat 3:         xx xx 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif____Seat 3 calls
Seat 5:         xx xx Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif____Seat 5 folds

6th Street: (5.3 BB) (2 players)
Hero:         7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif___Hero bets
Seat 3:         xx xx 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif____Seat 3 calls

7th Street: (7.3 BB) (2 players)
Hero:         7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif___Hero bets
Seat 3:         xx xx 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif xx____Seat 3 folds

Zadnji popravljao Svizac (26-02-2011 20:18:14)

Just admitting you are a fish is a big step forward!
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Hand #4

preloose calldown?

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Limit Stud $0.10 Ante - 6 players - View hand 1202855
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

3rd Street: (1.2 SB)
Seat 1:         xx xx Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif____Seat 1 folds
Hero:         Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif___Hero calls
Seat 3:         xx xx 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif____Seat 3 brings in for $0.15____Seat 3 folds
Seat 4:         xx xx 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif____Seat 4 folds
Seat 5:         xx xx Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif____Seat 5 folds
Seat 6:         xx xx Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif____Seat 6 completes

4th Street: (3.5 SB) (2 players)
Hero:         Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif___Hero calls
Seat 6:         xx xx Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif____Seat 6 bets

5th Street: (2.75 BB) (2 players)
Hero:         Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Thttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif___Hero calls
Seat 6:         xx xx Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif____Seat 6 bets

6th Street: (4.75 BB) (2 players)
Hero:         Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Thttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif___Hero calls
Seat 6:         xx xx Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif____Seat 6 bets

7th Street: (6.75 BB) (2 players)
Hero:         Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Thttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Thttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif___Hero raises
Seat 6:         xx xx Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif xx____Seat 6 bets____Seat 6 calls

Zadnji popravljao Svizac (26-02-2011 20:20:03)

Just admitting you are a fish is a big step forward!
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Hand #5

Villian je solid regular

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Limit Stud $0.10 Ante - 5 players - View hand 1202870
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

3rd Street: (1 SB)
Seat 1:         xx xx 6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif____Seat 1 calls____Seat 1 calls
Seat 2:         xx xx 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif____Seat 2 folds
Hero:         8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif___Hero completes
Seat 5:         xx xx 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif____Seat 5 folds
Seat 6:         xx xx 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif____Seat 6 brings in for $0.15____Seat 6 folds

4th Street: (3.3 SB) (2 players)
Seat 1:         xx xx 6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif____Seat 1 calls
Hero:         8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif___Hero bets

5th Street: (2.65 BB) (2 players)
Seat 1:         xx xx 6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif____Seat 1 checks
Hero:         8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif___Hero checks

6th Street: (2.65 BB) (2 players)
Seat 1:         xx xx 6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif____Seat 1 bets
Hero:         8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Thttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif___Hero calls

7th Street: (4.65 BB) (2 players)
Seat 1:         xx xx 6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif xx____Seat 1 bets____Seat 1 3-bets____Seat 1 calls
Hero:         8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Thttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif___Hero raises___Hero caps!

Just admitting you are a fish is a big step forward!
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meni je ovo koda čitam sanskrt. smile

Nowdays, at financial crisis, I dont give people to much kredit for second and third barrel!
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#1: superstandard, ne znam šta si ga uopće postao?

#2: ovisi o protivniku, protiv randoma ja bi check turn radi pc, pošto postoje samo 2 river karte (2 devetke) s kojima ćemo i dalje imat nutse.. Da smo IP, definitino potbet..

#3: protiv unknowna ok line, ovako note da je Seat 3 calling station i ubuduće izbjegavati ovakav 5th street blef i isključivo ga valuetownati

#4: Ja obavezno raiseam 4th street, u tom trenutku imamo oko 50% equityja, a ako ne reraisea nego samo calla i 5th street nas obojicu bricka uglavnom ćemo dobiti free kartu

#5: solidan reg ne bi trebao imat asa prečesto u rangeu (jedino neke A6sss kombinacije, ali ćešće će imati 6xxsss i nešto tipa 456-678) zato ne vidim smisla u checkiranju 5th streeta i pogotovo užasnog wtf coldcalla 6th streeta?

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radije cu fax zavrsit neg nauciti sve ove igre!  big_smile
svaka ti čast!

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@dabac: joj da ne mogu vjerovat da sam #5 ovako odigrao, živi užas
šta se tiče handa #4, ja sam tu i tamo raisao flush draw na 4th streetu, i nikad nisam dobio fold. da li se takav play isplati ako prosječan villian na tom limitu nikad ne folda na semibluff raise?

@hendrixjimmi: haha čekaj dok postam handove iz 2-7 lowballa big_smile

@sinisa: dodat ću u prvi post pravila da bude razumljivije

Zadnji popravljao Svizac (27-02-2011 20:30:22)

Just admitting you are a fish is a big step forward!
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Svizac napisao:

šta se tiče handa #4, ja sam tu i tamo raisao flush draw na 4th streetu, i nikad nisam dobio fold. da li se takav play isplati ako prosječan villian na tom levelu nikad ne folda na semibluff raise?

Da, jer:
1) što se tiče equityja, uglavnom flipate
2) na ovom streetu igrate za small bet, ako calla tvoj raise, uglavnom će checkirat sljedeći street i tako ćeš si sejvat jedan small bet (tj. pola big beta)
3) preuzimaš kontrolu nad handom, tako da ako hitaš svoj flush, možeš izvuć max value, a ako na 5th streetu ima samo A high, morat će foldat na tvoj big bet (ako ga odlučiš betati, naravno)

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Hand #6
Tek sam nedavno sjeo za stol, villiani su svi nepoznati s nijednim od njih nisam igrao prije.

Flop je super za mene, pošto sam OOP checkiram s namjerom da callam cbet.
River je OK ali nije nuts, šta da radim ovdje?
Check/call? Block bet? Bet 2/3 pot?
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Full Tilt Poker, Pot-Limit Omaha Hi Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

UTG ($20.7)
CO ($35.11)
BTN ($27.29)
SB (Svizac28) ($25.97)
BB ($20)

Dealt to SB (Svizac28)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG calls $0.2, CO raises to $0.9, BTN calls $0.9, SB (Svizac28) calls $0.8, BB folds, UTG calls $0.7

Flop: (Pot is $3.8, 4 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png
SB (Svizac28) checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (Pot is $3.8, 4 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png
SB (Svizac28) bets $2.6, UTG calls $2.6, CO & BTN fold

River: (Pot is $9, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png

                                                                     
Total Pot: $9 | Rake: $9

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Re: Svizac zamotao čokoladu (10-Game)

zadnji hand je chk/call optimalan

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Re: Svizac zamotao čokoladu (10-Game)

Mislim da moraš bet foldat ovo. Betaj oko 6$ i foldaj na raise. Check call mi se ne sviđa u ovom spotu s obzirom da se radi o PLO 25. Moraš value betat ovaj hand. Trebao bi dobit value ne samo od slabijih flusheva, nego nekad i od seta, dva para ili skale, iako setovi s obzirom na board i akciju nisu previše vjerojatni.

Iz mog iskustva, i na većim limitima villaini ovdje callaju turn bet sa slabim FD-ovima. Kad betaš i villain raisea, jako rijetko si dobar, prerijetko da bi mogao callat bez nekih posebnih readova. U svakom slučaju, mislim da je hand previše jak da ne bi value betao, a i villain limpa pa ne vjerujem da je posebno dobar i trebao bi isplatiti s puno gorih handova.

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Re: Svizac zamotao čokoladu (10-Game)

Hand #7

Evo jedan iz No Limit Single Drawa, tricky situacija

Vilian u MP je loose passive, znam ga otprije igrali smo dosta skupa.
Ostale ne poznajem, ali već u kratkom vremenu za stolom sam primijetio da je BTN jako agresivan.

I sad bi htio izvuć max value iz MP villiana za kojeg sam prilično siguran da će platit i sa slabijim handom (T-low, J-low), a da me BTN ne bluffa sa best handa...

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.20 No Limit 2-7 Single Draw Lowball $0.05 Ante - 6 players - View hand 1219646
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

MP: $9.60
Hero (CO): $21.40
BTN: $12.62
SB: $34.77
BB: $20.00
UTG: $45.82

Pre Flop: ($0.60) Hero is CO with
Hand:  9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif
UTG calls $0.20, MP calls $0.20, Hero raises to $1.40, BTN calls $1.40, 1 fold, BB calls $1.20, 1 fold, MP calls $1.20

First Draw: ($6.20) (4 players)
BB draws 1, MP stands pat, Hero stands pat, BTN draws 1
Hand:  9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif
BB checks, MP checks

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Re: Svizac zamotao čokoladu (10-Game)

Hand #8
CO je onaj isti loose passive desno od mene (MP u No Limit Single Draw handu koji sam postao)
Ovdje sam zvao time i tankao do zadnje sekunde, užasava me ovakav pot-sized donkbet od ovakvog igrača. Board je totalno dry, može li on ovo radit s ičim što nije dva para ili set?
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Full Tilt Poker, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

CO ($9.45)
BTN (Svizac28) ($34.39)
SB ($22.77)
BB ($35.48)
UTG ($10.24)
MP ($36.17)

Dealt to BTN (Svizac28)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG calls $0.2, MP calls $0.2, CO calls $0.2, BTN (Svizac28) raises to $1, SB & BB fold, UTG calls $0.8, MP calls $0.8, CO calls $0.8

Flop: (Pot is $4.3, 4 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png
UTG checks, MP checks, CO bets $4.3

Turn: (Pot is $8.6, 4 players)


River: (Pot is $8.6, 4 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $8.6 | Rake: $8.6

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Re: Svizac zamotao čokoladu (10-Game)

Hand #9
(ovo je sa Razz full ring stola - kad mi nema akcije na 10-gameu igram Razz ili Stud8)
Villian je solidan Razz igrač već sam ga viđao prije (Hrvat btw)

Pretpostavljam da sam trebao foldat na check/raise. Ili možda fold preflop?

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Limit Razz $0.10 Ante - 5 players - View hand 1221192
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

3rd Street: (1 SB)
Seat 3:         xx xx Thttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif____Seat 3 brings in for $0.15____Seat 3 folds
Seat 5:         xx xx 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif____Seat 5 completes
Hero:         5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif___Hero calls
Seat 7:         xx xx 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif____Seat 7 folds
Seat 8:         xx xx Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif____Seat 8 folds

4th Street: (3.3 SB) (2 players)
Seat 5:         xx xx 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif____Seat 5 bets
Hero:         5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif___Hero calls

5th Street: (2.65 BB) (2 players)
Seat 5:         xx xx 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif____Seat 5 checks
Hero:         5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif___Hero checks

6th Street: (2.65 BB) (2 players)
Seat 5:         xx xx 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif____Seat 5 checks____Seat 5 raises
Hero:         5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif___Hero bets___Hero calls

7th Street: (6.65 BB) (2 players)
Seat 5:         xx xx 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif xx____Seat 5 bets
Hero:         5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif___Hero calls

Final Pot: 8.65 BB
Seat 5 shows 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif (5,4,3,2,A)
Hero mucks 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif
Seat 5 wins 8.25 BB
(Rake: $0.40)

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Re: Svizac zamotao čokoladu (10-Game)

Kako se polako približavam bankrollu za viši limit ($1/$2) sve sam više zabrinut nedostatkom akcije na 10-Gameu. Na $0,5/$1 stanje nije tako loše iako je manje aktivnih stolova nego kad je FTP tek uveo draw igre. Ali na 1/2 većinu vremena nema baš nikoga, dok je na prvom slijedećem limitu $2.5/$5 uvijek aktivno par stolova.

Da pojasnim to je kao da na NL2 morate nagrindat bankroll za NL10...

I sad se mislim jesam li napravio grešku odlaskom sa Pokerstarsa. Logiram se tu i tamo na Starse i čini se da ima više mixed akcije nego na FTP... prebacio sam se na Full Tilt radi rakebacka i welcome bonusa. U međuvremenu sam očistio taj welcome bonus a FTP je promijenio rake iz dealt to contributed i moj rakeback se smanjio. S druge strane ne ostvarujem dovoljan volume za bilo kakav značajan VIP status na Starsu. Hmmm ne znam moram još razmislit o ovome.

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Re: Svizac zamotao čokoladu (10-Game)

kad ti netko na 5 street čekira xxA53 ili je totalno glup ili ima nuts jer da mu se i trojka sparila mora opet betat tak da 6 street ti nema smisla betat

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Re: Svizac zamotao čokoladu (10-Game)

Svizac napisao:

Hand #2

da betam pot na turnu?
drukčiji line na riveru?

da pot turn on ak je odlučil callat on bude call bez obzira koliko ti betal, i river standart moraš check/call

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Re: Svizac zamotao čokoladu (10-Game)

Hvala na komentarima Rodman
Imam jedan zanimljiv NL Holdem hand od jučer

Hand #10
Reads: Igrači su uglavnom prosječni, nisu baš dobri ali nisu ni ribe. Jedan je vrlo agresivan ali njega nema u ovom handu (sitout).
Preflop: Vjerojatno preloose call, ali sam IP.
Flop: Svi checkiraju do mene. Čini mi se dobra prilika da pokušam ukrast pot.
Turn: Nakon dva calla na flopu sam namjeravao odustat ali je turn karta savršena da nastavim betat jer sad imam outove za flush.
River: Nisam pratio stack sizeove i sad vidim da SB ima samo 5.25 left a UTG ima još 22.81 sad
Htio bih čuti vaše mišljenje koliko da betam ako pogodim flush, i da li da blefam river (i koliko?) ako promašim...
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Full Tilt Poker, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

SB ($11.25)
BB ($26.84)
UTG ($28.81)
CO (Svizac28) ($40.53)
BTN ($75.54)

Dealt to CO (Svizac28)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG raises to $0.6, CO (Svizac28) calls $0.6, BTN folds, SB calls $0.5, BB calls $0.4

Flop: (Pot is $2.4, 4 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO (Svizac28) bets $1.4, SB calls $1.4, BB folds, UTG calls $1.4

Turn: (Pot is $6.6, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png
SB checks, UTG checks, CO (Svizac28) bets $4, SB calls $4, UTG calls $4

River: (Pot is $18.6, 3 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $18.6 | Rake: $18.6

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fold preflop osim ako  savrseno znas kako igra postflop a ne vjerujem da to znas i kad callas vjerovatno ces dobit jos bar jednog callera iz blindova tako da ti je jos teze igrat ovako lose karte postflop
flop check jer ces tesko na ovako dosta wet boardu uzet pot protiv 4 igraca

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Re: Svizac zamotao čokoladu (10-Game)

kako znaš da će buton foldati pa da imaš poziciju, preflop call je burning money ako nemaš plan za poslije...još imaš ovog shorta na sb koji je vjerojatno fish i znaš da neće foldati...dalje ovom sb je ostalo malo, neznam šta tu može foldat na riveru osim promasenog fd..bet flop je amo reć ok, ali checkiraj turn jer je dobar za tebe i imas besplatnu kartu

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Re: Svizac zamotao čokoladu (10-Game)

Mali update: uzeo sam nekoliko dana pauze od 10-Gamea da poboljšam svoju Stud Hi i Stud H/L igru. To radim jer ću (kao što sam već napisao par postova prije) u budućnosti morat igrati više razne Stud igre pojedinačno a manje mixed.

Krenulo je jako loše, prvi dan sam izgubio oko $30, slijedeći dan "samo" $20. Onda sam ponovo pročitao svu literaturu što imam i današnji dan sam završio break-even. Ne odustajem, mogu i moram to beatat...

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Re: Svizac zamotao čokoladu (10-Game)

Evo mene opet tongue

Imao sam 5 dana zaredom u minusu i to me prilično psihički pogodilo jer sam u drugom mjesecu napravio preko $100 plusa i već sam se vidio na višim limitima. Nažalost umjesto da napravim pauzu od par dana ja sam tako dišperan i tiltan išao "zaigrat malo PLO10"...

Uglavnom nakon pola sata i izgubljenih 5 buyinova (samo na jednom stolu lol) sam skužio da sam kreten i da uništavam svoj teško stečeni  bankroll, ugasio FTP i otišao trčat po Marjanu da se ispušem. To je bilo prije dva dana, jučer i prekjučer sam ponovo pročitao nešto literature, gledao filmove i serije i danas se osjećam spremnim za novi početak.

Nije bio neki super session, završio s malim profitom taman da mi se vrati samopouzdanje nakon downswinga

Hand #11
Nemam noteova na ovom villianu ali već smo oko sat vremena skupa na stolu i čini se solidan.
Pretpostavio sam da neće ovdje raisat bez Ax i foldao, jel to previše nitty? Bi li netko od vas 3-betao ovaj flop?

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Full Tilt Poker, Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50
Limit (SB/BB): $0.5/$1

BB (Svizac28) ($50.53)
UTG ($19.03)
MP ($24.3)
CO ($34.65)
BTN ($37.13)
SB ($15.62)

Dealt to BB (Svizac28)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: 1.5 SB)

UTG & MP & CO fold, BTN raises, SB folds, BB (Svizac28) raises, BTN calls

Flop: (Pot is 6.5 SB, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png
BB (Svizac28) bets, BTN raises, BB (Svizac28) calls

Turn: (Pot is 5.25 BB, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png
BB (Svizac28) checks, BTN bets, BB (Svizac28) folds,

                                                                     
Total Pot: $5.25 (5.25 BB) | Rake: $0.25

Winners:
BTN wins $5

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