Re: NL 20

cbetanje ti ovisi puno o protivnicima, tako da je ovako dosta tesko o tome uopce pricati.
btw, fold to flop cbet od 50% nije calling station nego idealna sredina.

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Re: NL 20

wink  c/f sam u tim situacijama(osim 3.) pa sam htio vidit samo ako je mozda pogresno,a
statsi su im bili tipa 40/4 pa sam napiso calling stationi

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Re: NL 20

70/34/3 donkbet flop 100% na 70 ruku
jel bolje rejzat ovdje na flopu kad tolko donka?

i turn fold?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

SB ($2.95)
BB ($9.32)
UTG ($10)
MP ($10.76)
CO ($1.96)
BTN (Hero) ($17.74)

Dealt to BTN (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & MP & CO fold, BTN (Hero) raises to $0.3, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.2

Flop: (Pot is $0.9, 3 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png
SB checks, BB bets $0.9, BTN (Hero) calls $0.9, SB folds

Turn: (Pot is $2.7, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png
BB bets $2.7,

                                                                     
Total Pot: $5.4 | Rake: $0.13

Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (05-12-2011 23:19:35)

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Re: NL 20

call ili 4bet?
bb je fish stalno je guro na svasta,a CO igra 18/15/3.5,3beta 14%  na CO i ima fold na 4bet 1/1

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

UTG ($12.57)
MP (Hero) ($34.14)
CO ($10)
BTN ($3.04)
SB ($1.56)
BB ($1.81)

Dealt to MP (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG folds, MP (Hero) raises to $0.3, CO raises to $0.9, BTN & SB fold, BB raises to $1.81 (All-In)




                                                                     
Total Pot: $3.06 | Rake: $3.06

Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (05-12-2011 23:38:34)

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Re: NL 20

nemaš zašto rejzati flop, pretvaraš hand u blef, bez nekih večih readova foldam ovo! Beatas samo fd i totalni zrak(sd je completan na turnu). Ako imas neki notes da tako odigrava draw ili zrak calldownaj, nemas zasto pretvarati hand u bluf!

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Re: NL 20

Ma kakav raise.. Kad mi ovak pot size donk beta u dvojicu, a ja imam KK na A high boardu napišem mu u chat ty very much i foldam KK i zahvaljujem mu još jednom u sebi što nisam išao sam sebe valubetat na flopu il turnu(ako sam odlučio checkirat flop). Ne razumijem zašto bi to raise-ao kad sjebavaš stvar na 2 načina: prvo, pretvaraš jeb*** KK u bluff, a drugo isfoldavaš sve što zapravo i je možda slabije od tvojih KK. Laički rečeno, pokopavaš sam sebe maksimalno kolko se pokopati da. A to što mu je donkbet 100%, ne možeš tu puno napraviti i mislim da ti je tu najbolje foldati flop. Ili ga odluči iscallati sva 3 streeta, ali bi ti ja toplo preporučio da to ipak bude neki non A  high board.

Nowdays, at financial crisis, I dont give people to much kredit for second and third barrel!
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Re: NL 20

u pravu si,ali posto je ipak svaki put donkao tako,a ipak imam ruku koja dobiva sve osim A tu mislio sam ga rejzat ili iskalat do kraja ali dosla mi je losa karta na turnu

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Re: NL 20

ivan031 napisao:

mislio sam ga rejzat

dakle još jednom, nemoj to raiseat jer te ne calla slabije. Raise nema smisla i otežavaš si maksimalno. Ajde ovako: 1)šta radiš kad ti zgura na tvoj raise?    2) šta radiš kad calla i turn dolazi blank, recimo 2? 3)od čega u ove dvije situacije očekuješ call, a da si jači? Kad si na to odgovoriš, shvatit ćeš zašto nema smisla raise-at.

Nowdays, at financial crisis, I dont give people to much kredit for second and third barrel!
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Re: NL 20

samo zbog tih 100% donka sam razmisljao ga rejzat jer mislim da donka  pa folda na taj raise sve 22-99 osim 77 i ruke tipa JT,T9,T8..,da calla mislim da bi onda odustao,ali slazem se fold je bolji  wink

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Re: NL 20

Pa zašto želiš da ti folda 22-99??

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111

Re: NL 20

ivan031 napisao:

samo zbog tih 100% donka sam razmisljao ga rejzat jer mislim da donka  pa folda na taj raise sve 22-99 osim 77 i ruke tipa JT,T9,T8..,da calla mislim da bi onda odustao,ali slazem se fold je bolji  wink

Ali te ruke koje si ti naveo, ne želiš da folda jer si jači od njih? Uglavnom, bitno da si shvatio da je raise najgora opcija, a fold najbolja. Ostalo će doći valjda s vremenom. E da, 99 je fold. Callat nemožeš jer je call preloš, šta ćeš kad te zgura?! A zgurat isto ne možeš jer imaš preslabi hand i CO repa prilično jaki range.

Nowdays, at financial crisis, I dont give people to much kredit for second and third barrel!
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Re: NL 20

KK bi ja callao flop i na turnu bacio...
99 je fold... vjerojatno mu je u tih 14% sveukupan 3bet, a ako pretpostavimo da vise 3beta sa blindova ili btn-a co 3bet mu je puno manji...

A svako gubi bar ponekad, ali nikad Boža zvani Pub

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Re: NL 20

Jedno pitanje u vezi squeeza,koliki je postotak skvizanja recimo granica gdje je to vec vecinom bluff
...i recimo,rejzamo pf dobijemo 1 call i reg tip squeeza iz blinda a ima 10-20% skvizanja,s kojim rukama tu nastavljate
s callom ,a s kojim rejzamo?

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Re: NL 20

Izmedju 10 i 20% je ogromna razlika. 20% je ogromno i to je 2/3 puta bluff.
Mislim da je sve preko 7% dosta.

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Re: NL 20

sta je tu najbolje?ovo cesto rade kolko sam primjetio ,raisa mi cbet flop i onda checkira turn,ako su agresivni turn betam a kod ovakvih nzm sta je najbolje

igra 38/14,2.8 na 40 ruku

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

UTG ($13.51)
BTN (Hero) ($10)
SB ($10.05)
BB ($45.62)

Dealt to BTN (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG folds, BTN (Hero) raises to $0.3, SB folds, BB calls $0.2

Flop: (Pot is $0.65, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png
BB checks, BTN (Hero) bets $0.4, BB raises to $0.85, BTN (Hero) calls $0.45

Turn: (Pot is $2.35, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png
BB checks

River: (Pot is $2.35, 2 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $2.35 | Rake: $2.35

Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (07-12-2011 21:21:25)

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Re: NL 20

Prije nego callas njegov raise na flopu trebao bi znati sta ces napraviti na turnu ovisno o karti koja pada i akciji tvog protivnika. Inace samo palis lovu. Pogotovo dugorocno kad ulazis u takve situacije.

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Re: NL 20

ako se improvam na turnu betam ili raisam,a ako dode blank onda foldam na bet ili raisem check i onda u 90% slucaja dobim call i neznam na riveru di sam ... pa pitam ako ima bolji nacin za odigrat ovakve spotove

Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (08-12-2011 00:13:19)

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Re: NL 20

Ovisi o njegovim tendencijama. Ovako kada imaš poziciju možeš cback turn i onda betat river ako on checkira.

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Re: NL 20

jel ok ovdje gurnuti all in,
otvara 28% s btn , F3:42% , 4bet:38% , 4bet range:5.1%

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

UTG ($5.66)
CO ($10)
BTN ($18.07)
SB (Hero) ($10.58)
BB ($10.27)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & CO fold, BTN raises to $0.35, SB (Hero) raises to $1.4, BB folds, BTN raises to $3.55






                                                                     
Total Pot: $5.05 | Rake: $5.05

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Re: NL 20

i jos jedna nisam znao sta tu na flopu napravit(osim sto sam trebo shove preflop mozda?),
sb pretpostavljam nema nista ,a njegov bet ?
squeeze od bb je 50%(2/4), imam ga na 90 ruku samo dosta je agresivan bio

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

BB ($9.68)
UTG (Hero) ($12.1)
MP ($12.33)
CO ($10.74)
BTN ($11.56)
SB ($8.75)

Dealt to UTG (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG (Hero) raises to $0.35, MP & CO & BTN fold, SB calls $0.3, BB raises to $1.4, UTG (Hero) calls $1.05, SB calls $1.05

Flop: (Pot is $4.2, 3 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png
SB checks, BB bets $2.1



                                                                     
Total Pot: $6.3 | Rake: $6.3

Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (09-12-2011 15:44:55)

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Re: NL 20

AQ-prevelik 3b, 1,1 -1,2 je sasvim dosta, ja bi foldao mislim da na nl10 ne 4b dovoljno cesto da bi ovo mogao zgurat

JJ-ja bi call flop ,call shove turn/ship ako chekira, cini mi se da nema bas tak puno losih karata na turnu posto imamo Jd,pa da mu damo priliku da izblefa stack

bio je  flip, il cu dobit  il cu izgubit -vis  da  je  50-50
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Re: NL 20

puki86 napisao:

AQ-prevelik 3b, 1,1 -1,2 je sasvim dosta, ja bi foldao mislim da na nl10 ne 4b dovoljno cesto da bi ovo mogao zgurat

JJ-ja bi call flop ,call shove turn/ship ako chekira, cini mi se da nema bas tak puno losih karata na turnu posto imamo Jd,pa da mu damo priliku da izblefa stack

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Re: NL 20

Za JJ hand se slazem s pukiem, a sta se tice AQ, ja bi shipao ako statse sta imas su na preko 500 handova, ako je na malom sampleu, onda fold

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Re: NL 20

na 400 handova ,posto manje folda vise sam 3betao
a ovaj drugi sam odma na flopu gurnuo,okrenuo je  KQdd

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Re: NL 20

evo jos 1 hand,zanima me jel ok na riveru ovdje c/c ili c/f?mislim da ako betam da mi baca sve od cega sam jaci,a ako checkiram da ce me probat blefat s slabijim rukama od mojih ?
igra 15/12/2.6 fold to cbet 60% i imam note da rejza cbet na dry flopu i folda na 3bet

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

CO ($5.86)
BTN ($12.01)
SB ($14.6)
BB (Hero) ($12.15)
UTG ($8.57)

Dealt to BB (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG folds, CO calls $0.1, BTN calls $0.1, SB folds, BB (Hero) raises to $0.6, CO folds, BTN calls $0.5

Flop: (Pot is $1.35, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png
BB (Hero) bets $0.8, BTN calls $0.8

Turn: (Pot is $2.95, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png
BB (Hero) bets $1.6, BTN calls $1.6

River: (Pot is $6.15, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png
BB (Hero) checks, BTN bets $2.3

                                                                     
Total Pot: $8.45 | Rake: $8.45

Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (09-12-2011 20:33:45)

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