Tema: Gademz! NL5 handovi

Odlucio otvoriti temu u kojoj cu postati svoje handove pa mozemo poceti..
tek sam sjeo za stol pred par handova pa nemam nekih readova kod protivnika
preflop samo call?
flop jači check raise?
lead turn?  (btw. nisam mislio samo callat bet od ovog drugog. bio je missclick. izgubio sam vjerovatno preostali dio stacka ovog drugog zbog tog :S)

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.05

BB (putkasreci) ($5.84)
UTG ($3.43)
MP ($2.61)
CO ($9.47)
BTN ($5.43)
SB ($4.98)

Dealt to BB (putkasreci)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.07)

UTG raises to $0.15, MP calls $0.15, CO calls $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, SB folds, BB (putkasreci) calls $0.1

Flop: (Pot is $0.77, 5 players)

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BB (putkasreci) checks, UTG bets $0.2, MP & CO fold, BTN calls $0.2, BB (putkasreci) raises to $0.7, UTG calls $0.5, BTN calls $0.5

Turn: (Pot is $2.87, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png
BB (putkasreci) bets $2.1, UTG raises to $2.58 (All-In), BTN calls $2.58, BB (putkasreci) calls $0.48

River: (Pot is $10.61, 3 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png
BB (putkasreci) bets $2.41 (All-In), BTN folds,

                                                                     
Total Pot: $10.61 | Rake: $10.61

Zadnji popravljao Gademz! (11-05-2011 00:45:06)

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Re: Gademz! NL5 handovi

ja bi odigro isto samo bi vise raisao flop...

A svako gubi bar ponekad, ali nikad Boža zvani Pub

Re: Gademz! NL5 handovi

raise pf

bet flop, ili veci check raise

"Dikod uđe, dikod ne uđe" - Mate Baturina
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vjerojatno bi leadao ovaj flop, ali ovako odigrano, raise do 1$ na flopu i turn, ship it babeeeeee!!!!!!!

Nowdays, at financial crisis, I dont give people to much kredit for second and third barrel!
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sjeo pred 5-6 handova za stol tako da nemam neke readove. Zanima me jel bi jače betali turn iako smatram da je ovo bio dobar bet na turnu jer ga nisam htio otjerati iz pota . I valuebet (pretpostavljam da bi svi vbetali) koliki?
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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.05

SB ($6.7)
BB ($5.83)
UTG ($5.07)
CO ($5)
BTN (putkasreci) ($6.67)

Dealt to BTN (putkasreci)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.07)

UTG & CO fold, BTN (putkasreci) raises to $0.15, SB folds, BB calls $0.1

Flop: (Pot is $0.32, 2 players)

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BB checks, BTN (putkasreci) bets $0.2, BB calls $0.2

Turn: (Pot is $0.72, 2 players)

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BB checks, BTN (putkasreci) bets $0.41, BB calls $0.41

River: (Pot is $1.54, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7S.png
BB checks, BTN (putkasreci) bets $1.12, BB calls $1.12

                                                                     
Total Pot: $3.78 | Rake: $3.78

Here's to a long life and a merry one
A quick death and an easy one
A pretty girl and an honest one
A cold beer and another one!
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standard imo... ja bi odigro isto tako...

A svako gubi bar ponekad, ali nikad Boža zvani Pub

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jedino veci rejz turn

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Re: Gademz! NL5 handovi

Flop(0.32$) bet 0.25$
Turn(0.82$) bet 0.6$
River(2.02$) bet 1.4$
=4.82$(tebi je 3.78$)
A sve je počelo sa 5 centi većim betom na flopu. Da, valubet svaki street.

Nowdays, at financial crisis, I dont give people to much kredit for second and third barrel!
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evo jedan hand koji me je dosta namucio...

frajer je bio nesto nabrijan od prvog trena kad sam dosao na stol zato sto sam Hrvat. (Stalno mi je pisao da sam ustaša ovo ono, al mu nisam nista odgovarao).
i tako, nakon sto me nije uspio isprovocirat u chatu, odlucio je to uciniti za stolom. Inace moj image je bio nesto izmedu TAG-a i LAG-a te nisam nesto divljao previse big_smile
Svaki puta je 3betao moj open raise, no uvijek sam ga nekako beatao postflop zato sto je losiji od mene i djeluje prilicno fishy.
Par handova prije toga se npr. zgurao na flopu na openender straight drawu tako da je gurnuo cijeli stack u jednom betu u pot od 0.37$ i to mu nije bilo prvi, a ni zadnji put da je overbetao.

Pa krenimo sad na hand:
preflop je bila klasicna scena za stolom.. ja open raise, on 3 bet, a ja? (1. PITANJE : ŠTO BI VI?)
a) fold - po meni ne dolazi u obzir protiv takvog igraca koji jako divlja pogotovo protiv mene te vjerujem da sam bolji od njegovog rangea u ovom spotu
b) call - u ovom slucaju napokon imam poziciju nad njim, a posto sam ga uspio nadigrat vise puta postflop OOP, zasto ne?
c) 4bet - mislim da bi inace prije 4 bet odigrao nego call, no bojao sam se njegovog overbet shovea kojeg cesto voli u vecim potovima koristiti

AS PLAYED:
Flop: Mislim da je prilicno dobar flop za mene te sam se jedino bojao AQ zbog cega sam samo callao, a i htio sam zadrzat handove poput 88, TT, JJ, QJ u igri i dat mu priliku za novi bet
Turn: Plan na blank turnu mi je bio na njegov bet raiseati. ovako, dosao je AS i njegov jako cudan overbet. MI SADA?
a) fold - pustiti ga kvragu, bit ce jos prilika za sjebat ga, al sto me tu to tocno beata?
b) call - sto sam i ucinio. Moje razmisljanje je tu bilo da on sa 99, AQ, AK ili AJ to nece raditi, vec ce nastaviti sa normalnim bez sizinigom. ovako mi je izgledalo kao da zeli asa iskorisiti kao scare kartu za mene da zaštiti svoje pocket parove poput JJ, TT.

Eto, ocekujem komentare za svaki street, a pogotovo preflop i turn. Ishod cete saznat kasnije.  smile

hvala

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.05

CO ($5)
BTN (putkasreci) ($7.24)
SB ($9.44)
BB ($11.65)
UTG ($5.48)
MP ($14.41)

Dealt to BTN (putkasreci)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.07)

UTG & MP & CO fold, BTN (putkasreci) raises to $0.15, SB raises to $0.65, BB folds, BTN (putkasreci) calls $0.5

Flop: (Pot is $1.35, 2 players)

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SB bets $0.8, BTN (putkasreci) calls $0.8

Turn: (Pot is $2.95, 2 players)

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SB bets $7.99 (All-In)

River: (Pot is $10.94, 2 players, 1 all-in)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $10.94 | Rake: $10.94

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A quick death and an easy one
A pretty girl and an honest one
A cold beer and another one!
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U slučaju da sam se spreman zastackat sa ovim handom, ja bi prije raise-ao ovaj flop nego blank turn jer ima par drawova dok raise na turnu = made hand.
Mislim veće su šanse da izvučeš value iz TT/JJ i slabijih Qx na flopu nego na blank turnu. Ista stvar vrijedi i za njegove drawove koji će na blank turnu najčešće foldat, dok je na flopu vjerojatnije da će još nešto love stavit u pot.

Zadnji popravljao AlphaScorpii (28-05-2011 22:20:05)

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AlphaScorpii napisao:

U slučaju da sam se spreman zastackat sa ovim handom, ja bi prije raise-ao ovaj flop nego blank turn jer ima par drawova dok raise na turnu = made hand.
Mislim veće su šanse da izvučeš value iz TT/JJ i slabijih Qx na flopu nego na blank turnu. Ista stvar vrijedi i za njegove drawove koji će na blank turnu najčešće foldat, dok je na flopu vjerojatnije da će još nešto love stavit u pot.

ovo

as played:

pf ok, flop ovo sta je alpha napisa. turn fold

"Dikod uđe, dikod ne uđe" - Mate Baturina
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Hvala na konstruktivnim odgovorima.  smile

okrenuo je A7 jbg

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Re: Gademz! NL5 handovi

inace ovo rejzam preflop, al zbog CO-a koji je eto tako neki agresivac, (s tim da u poziciji se ponasa ko obicni calling station), nisam rejzao jer sam ga tako vise puta rejzao i cesto me znao 3betati pa sam se dovodio u neugodne marginalne situacije. tako da je moj cilj u ovom handu bio - uci jeftino u pot te odigrati HIT SET/FOLD.

I tako, dolazi flop te ja prakticki odustajem od pota, nisam se zelio upustati u avanture protiv ove dvojice, pogotovo CO-a. Svi checkaju te dobivam free kartu. Na što ih tocno stavljam, ne znam ni sam. BB tu najcesce nema nista, inace tipican straightforward TAG, doduse ne previse dobar. Dok CO tu moze stvano svasta imati, rijetko kad je rejzao s kasne pozicije.

Turn dolazi 6 te se odjednom moja ruka znatno poboljsava. Tu potbetam jer zelim izgraditi sto veci pot i osvojiti sta se jos osvojiti moze, ali i zato da probam uciniti sto skupljim placanje za nekakvi gutshot jer bi mi to bilo prilicno tesko procitati. Moj plan je ovdje bio dobiti call od nekakvih solo herceva, top parova te npr 97. Nakon mog beta dolazi vrlo jak rejz koji me prilicno zbunio i tu sam se izgubio jer u tom spotu smatram da me beata samo 88 (makar je i to upitno iako mislim da bi i to limpao na kasnoj) te flopani flush. Odlucio sam samo callati pa vidjeti sta dalje. Sto se tice rivera, u tom trenutku nisam imao neki posebni plan osim na 4. herc check/foldati.

Pa eto, bio bi zahvalan kad bi netko analizirao cijeli hend, a pogotovo turn play te što na riveru?
Hvala!

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.05

CO ($7.56)
BTN ($14.02)
SB (putkasreci) ($5.44)
BB ($6.54)
UTG ($5)
MP ($3.89)

Dealt to SB (putkasreci)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.07)

UTG & MP fold, CO calls $0.05, BTN folds, SB (putkasreci) calls $0.03, BB checks

Flop: (Pot is $0.15, 3 players)

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SB (putkasreci) checks, BB checks, CO checks

Turn: (Pot is $0.15, 3 players)

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SB (putkasreci) bets $0.15, BB folds, CO raises to $1, SB (putkasreci) calls $0.85

River: (Pot is $2.15, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png

                                                                     
Total Pot: $2.15 | Rake: $2.15

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A quick death and an easy one
A pretty girl and an honest one
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Ja bi to brže bolje zguro na turnu, ne vidim kak možeš bit beatan.

MAMIĆU CIGANE ODLAZI IZ SVETINJE!!!
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OOP cak i kada imas solidan hand tesko ces izvuc value i sa solidnim handom...

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ako ima flush set nečeš bacit svejedno i callaš da se spari da mu uzmeš stack...
ovaj river je po meni check call situacija...jer stvarno ne vidim s čim slabijim te može platiti ako nema flush...
čak i ako je rejzo s nekim drawom tipa 97 ima te...
ako blefa onda je na turnu call dobar jer mu daješ priliku da nastavi na riveru a ako valuebeta call je isto dobar jer valuebeta flush ili dva para,ako valuebeta 2 para bacit će na tvoj rejz i nisi izvuko max value...zato call,pa river opet check call..

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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Na kraju sam odigrao kako je RedDevil_7 rekao samo sto je bilo check/check  hmm  i okrenuo je AK s tim da nije imao asa u hercu.
hvala na komentarima

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2. hand za stolom... nemam nikakve informacije o protivniku... sad tek vidim da sam prilicno cudno odigrao ovaj hand i nisam bas siguran da je dobro odigran pa bi molio komentare.

hvala!

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.05

SB (putkasreci) ($5.07)
BB ($6.71)
UTG ($5.2)
BTN ($8.61)

Dealt to SB (putkasreci)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.07)

UTG & BTN fold, SB (putkasreci) raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.1

Flop: (Pot is $0.3, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png
SB (putkasreci) bets $0.2, BB calls $0.2

Turn: (Pot is $0.7, 2 players)

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SB (putkasreci) checks, BB bets $0.42, SB (putkasreci) raises to $1.2, BB calls $0.78

River: (Pot is $3.1, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png
SB (putkasreci) bets $2.3, BB raises to $4.6, SB (putkasreci) calls $1.22 (All-In),

                                                                     
Total Pot: $10.14 | Rake: $0.49

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A quick death and an easy one
A pretty girl and an honest one
A cold beer and another one!
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Pa dobio si što si htio. Htio si ga stekofat, c/r ga na turnu i zguro se na riveru. Ako misliš da si turn krivo odigrao, ja bi cbet-ao i taj turn, ali i ovo je po meni u redu, iako više preferiram bet. Ne razumijem šta misliš da ovdje nije dobro?

Nowdays, at financial crisis, I dont give people to much kredit for second and third barrel!
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Re: Gademz! NL5 handovi

c/r na turnu mi djeluje prejako u tom trenutku te imam dojam da takvim potezom tesko mogu izvuci dodatnog valuea od npr AX handa sto je meni prvenstveno cilj u slucaju da nema pocket pair.

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Ako ima Ax tako ionako nečeš izvući više ni v od valuea jer će ti foldat taj Ax, bilo na turnu ili na riveru(osim ako ne pogodi A) jer ne očekuješ valjda da ide 3barrel bluffat! Kako si ti to mislio izvući dodatnog valuea ako on drži neki random Ax?(obv. je mogao dovući A8 iz kojeg češ izvući value ali češće će tu imat zrak). Ugl.  tebi je cilj izvuči value upravo kad ima neki pocket i sl. pa zato i betaš ili c/r turn jer će sve ostalo ionako foldat.

Nowdays, at financial crisis, I dont give people to much kredit for second and third barrel!
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Re: Gademz! NL5 handovi

Upravo sam napisao ogroman post i svoje neko obrazlozenje, no shvatio sam da pisem gluposti i da si u pravu big_smile

budem probao objasnit svoju tezu u ovom slucaju kad skuzim kako da isto smisleno objasnim !

btw. na koji bi ga hand stavio ovako bez informacija?
mislim da ga na flopu tesko mozemo staviti na hand, zato sam bio malo zbunjen kako na turnu odigrati, al mislim da je kasnije obv...

Zadnji popravljao Gademz! (19-06-2011 14:34:21)

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ili ima poker ili nema ništa ili je ribetina tongue

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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22, 33, 44, 55, 77, 88, 99, AJ, AT, A9, A8, A7, KQ, KJ, QJ...flop
A na riveru ga više ne bi stavljao na hand nego snapo obzirom koliko nam ostaje behind, i nadao se da ima 99,TT, 8x i da nije imao 88 ili 6x.

Nowdays, at financial crisis, I dont give people to much kredit for second and third barrel!
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Re: Gademz! NL5 handovi

RedDevil_7 napisao:

ili ima poker ili nema ništa ili je ribetina tongue

Nikad ovdje nakon river playa nema ništa, uvijek ima nešto samo je pitanje šta.

Nowdays, at financial crisis, I dont give people to much kredit for second and third barrel!
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