Tema: NL50: Don Stefanello hands

Posto me smara da smisljam imena glupa za svaku temu haha resio sam da otvorim topic u kom cu stavljati sve ruke za koje bi voleo da dobijem vasa razmisljanja. Pa da pocnemo:

RUKA 1
Protivnik je 20/11/2 na 200 ruku fold to cbet 55%, zanima me kako bi ste vi odigrali turn i da li bi mu cekirali, pustili free kartu ili nastavili sa cbetovima jer je pasivniji igrac pa i ne ocekujem od njega da betuje turn ili river

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

MP+1 ($57.9)
MP+2 ($81)
CO ($27.85)
BTN ($56.55)
SB ($23.5)
BB ($57.95)
UTG ($16.95)
UTG+1 ($17.7)
MP (Hero) ($50)

Dealt to MP (Hero)
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Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG raises to $1.25, UTG+1 folds, MP (Hero) raises to $4, MP+1 calls $4, MP+2 calls $4, CO & BTN & SB & BB & UTG fold

Flop: (Pot is $14, 3 players)

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MP (Hero) bets $10, MP+1 calls $10, MP+2 folds

Turn: (Pot is $34, 2 players)

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MP (Hero) bets $20, MP+1 folds

                                                                     
Total Pot: $54 | Rake: $1.65

Winners:
MP (Hero) wins $52.35


RUKA2
Protivnik je 17/12/2 na 133 ruke, raise cbet je 40%, nisam zeleo da nagadjam puno pa sam se bacio, sta mislite sa cime moze ovde da se pojavi, da li vise gura draw-ove ili parove?


Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

BTN ($48.75)
SB ($20)
BB ($20)
UTG ($65.05)
UTG+1 ($39.2)
MP (Hero) ($51.5)
CO ($172.75)

Dealt to MP (Hero)
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Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.5, MP (Hero) raises to $2, CO & BTN & SB & BB fold, UTG+1 calls $1.5

Flop: (Pot is $4.75, 2 players)

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UTG+1 checks, MP (Hero) bets $3.5, UTG+1 raises to $37.2 (All-In), MP (Hero) folds

                                                                     
Total Pot: $45.45 | Rake: $0.55

Winners:
UTG+1 wins $44.9


RUKA 3
Protivnik je 34/17/1 na 136 ruku, fold to cbet 35%, koji je vas river play, dosta toga se otvorilo pa nisam siguran da li on ovde moze da se pojavi sa blefom i da li mi mozemo da zovemo river?

Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

CO (Hero) ($70.7)
BTN ($50.5)
SB ($59.1)
BB ($36.95)
UTG ($110.2)
MP ($50)

Dealt to CO (Hero)
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Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG & MP fold, CO (Hero) raises to $1.5, BTN & SB fold, BB calls $1

Flop: (Pot is $3.25, 2 players)

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BB checks, CO (Hero) bets $2.25, BB calls $2.25

Turn: (Pot is $7.75, 2 players)

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BB checks, CO (Hero) checks

River: (Pot is $7.75, 2 players)

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BB checks, CO (Hero) bets $4.75, BB raises to $13.2, CO (Hero) ???

                                                                     
Total Pot: $25.7 | Rake: $0.8

Winners:
BB wins $24.9

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1. hand samo callaj preflop protiv tight UTG rejzera,možeš i malo manje betat flop..
2. hand fold...on i ako radi to sa drawom vjerovatno ima i 2 overa na tvoje 88...
3. hand checkiraj flop, on tu ne calla bez A u ruci...
možeš eventualno zabetat turn ako checkira da naplatiš neke pikove ili njegovo bluffcatchanje ali to je sve...
river je fold

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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1. hand bih ja c/r turn te ako on check backa bih river betao dosta recimo near pot...
2.hand mislim da ce on tu dosta cesto imat draw sa overima nakon njegovog all ina jedino taj line mi je razumljiv...Dok mi taj line ovo i potvrduje- raise cbet je 40%... I mislim da je lik riba cim se ne rebuya.... Mkr fold nije neki wrong play jer ti lik gura 37$ a ti trebas platit 33 za pot od 45$ sto je previse...
3.hand ok odigran flop turn dosta dobar check da pot controlas e sad river si po meni trebao checkirat jer imas showdown value... ovako je river fold....

e da znan ko mi ga je ukrao... zivim u stanu s americkim stafordom koji lezi do kompa, a ja sam spava u sobi...sigurno mi napa da je dosa neko nepoznat, tako da san siguran da je netko koga pas zna...
neznan jeli neka zajebancija al nevirujen da me neko jebe dok san u betu
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Auf ova ruka me bacila u totalni rebus kako i sta odigrati, protivnik je 15/12/2 na 800 ruku, raise cbet mu je 18%, aggresion flop 3, turn 0.8, river 1.3, odigrao sam pasivnije jer nisam znao na sta da ga stavim a deep smo ne mogu da se zastackam tek tako a nisam imao vremena da lepo razmislim o ruci, u tom trenutku mi prolazi milion stvari kroz glavu, dal ima samo jaceg zandara, over par, ceka nut FD, stvarno me je zbunila ruka, na riveru sam razmisljao do isteka time banka prakticno jer ako je imao jaceg zandara verovatno je imao sa Ac i ako sam mu se kupio turn on je meni river itd, stvarno mi je svasta proletalo kroz glavu bespotrebno i zbunilo me.

RUKA 4
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

BTN ($107.5)
SB ($59.8)
BB ($28.5)
UTG ($54.5)
UTG+1 (Hero) ($115.2)
MP ($47.8)
MP+1 ($52.2)
MP+2 ($50)
CO ($50)

Dealt to UTG+1 (Hero)
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Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG folds, UTG+1 (Hero) raises to $1.5, MP & MP+1 & MP+2 & CO fold, BTN calls $1.5, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

Flop: (Pot is $6, 4 players)

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SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 (Hero) bets $4.25, BTN raises to $12, SB & BB fold, UTG+1 (Hero) calls $7.75

Turn: (Pot is $30, 2 players)

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UTG+1 (Hero) checks, BTN bets $18.5, UTG+1 (Hero) calls $18.5

River: (Pot is $67, 2 players)

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UTG+1 (Hero) checks, BTN bets $35.5, UTG+1 (Hero) calls $35.5

                                                                     
Total Pot: $138 | Rake: $138

Zadnji popravljao Don Stefanello (05-06-2011 00:58:08)

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Prve tri ruke sve ovo što je RedDevil napiso +1
Ruka 4. Zašto se ne želiš zastackat na turnu? On je to odigro kao da je flopo set ili ima KcJ/AcJ.
Male su šanse da on na turnu ima jaći flush. Bio si favorit 85/15

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Raise turn pošto nemaš poziciju. Ne želimo da nam cb setove itd. na riveru, a i priređujemo pot za river shove.

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Da da to sam i ja uvideo kasnije da je turn ocajno odigran, izgleda da me je usporila velicina stekova i razmisljanje kako ima jacu boju, bas ne znam zasto sam tako lose odigrao...

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koliko stolova igras ?? meni se cini da imas problema sa brzim donosenjem odluka hmm mozda mi se samo cini, al nznm sto ti kazes ?

e da znan ko mi ga je ukrao... zivim u stanu s americkim stafordom koji lezi do kompa, a ja sam spava u sobi...sigurno mi napa da je dosa neko nepoznat, tako da san siguran da je netko koga pas zna...
neznan jeli neka zajebancija al nevirujen da me neko jebe dok san u betu
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Igram 20-24 stola, jeste to mali problem ali kad postane robotika nece biti problem, i znam da se igra kvalitetnije na manje stolova ali nije opcija da se smanjuje, da ne bi objasnjavao razloge sada bez veze jednostavno ovako se igra i moram se navici

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RUKA5
Protivnik je 24/14/6 na 75 ruku, cbet 80, nemam puno informacija jer je manji sample al mi deluje malo jaci njegov line ovde da predstavlja, kako bi ste vi odigrali?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

UTG ($55.6)
UTG+1 ($46.75)
MP ($61)
MP+1 ($50)
MP+2 ($40.1)
CO ($20.7)
BTN ($50)
SB (Hero) ($105.85)
BB ($20)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
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Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG raises to $1.5, UTG+1 & MP & MP+1 & MP+2 & CO & BTN fold, SB (Hero) calls $1.25, BB folds

Flop: (Pot is $3.5, 2 players)

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SB (Hero) checks, UTG bets $2, SB (Hero) raises to $6, UTG raises to $12, SB (Hero) calls $6

Turn: (Pot is $27.5, 2 players)

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SB (Hero) checks, UTG bets $17


                                                                     
Total Pot: $44.5 | Rake: $44.5

RUKA6
Protivnik je 11/10/3 na 400 ruku, 4bet range mu je 3%, da je vukao all in snap callovao bi ga, al posto me je predigao do 20 meni to deluje vise kao AA,KK, mene sad muci jel to logicnije da slabije ruke gura a premium dize ovako?


Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

CO ($38.75)
BTN (Hero) ($108.1)
SB ($55.85)
BB ($53.2)
UTG ($50)
UTG+1 ($46)
MP ($20)
MP+1 ($19.25)

Dealt to BTN (Hero)
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Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG raises to $1.5, UTG+1 & MP & MP+1 fold, CO calls $1.5, BTN (Hero) raises to $5.5, SB & BB fold, UTG raises to $20, CO folds

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uz ove statse uvijek su korisni statsi tipa rejz unopened pot po pozicijama i steal u ovim situacijama.
1. hand, zasto rejz flop, od kojih handova zelis dobit value? ja bi samo callao jer je utg i neznamo puno o njemu. as played fold na 3bet flop jer beatas samo KQ a neznamo jel to radi s tim, ce drawowe igrat agresivno itd a tebe puno toga beata

2.hand  ja foldam, utg je, nit je. kakav je co? ak je fish mozes ovo callat i igrat postflop

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Andre_787 napisao:

uz ove statse uvijek su korisni statsi tipa rejz unopened pot po pozicijama i steal u ovim situacijama.
1. hand, zasto rejz flop, od kojih handova zelis dobit value? ja bi samo callao jer je utg i neznamo puno o njemu. as played fold na 3bet flop jer beatas samo KQ a neznamo jel to radi s tim, ce drawowe igrat agresivno itd a tebe puno toga beata

2.hand  ja foldam, utg je, nit je. kakav je co? ak je fish mozes ovo callat i igrat postflop

+1

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Andre_787 napisao:

1. hand, zasto rejz flop, od kojih handova zelis dobit value?

Pa mislim da mi on tu ne bi bacio na raise ni KQ ni AJ ili neki OESD, tako da od tih ruku sam zeleo da izvucem value, ali mislim da sam trebao da bacim na 3bet, ovako sam se odlucio za call bez nekog daljeg plana sta na turnu, cisto sam hteo da vidim njegovu akciju na turnu

Andre_787 napisao:

2.hand  ja foldam, utg je, nit je. kakav je co? ak je fish mozes ovo callat i igrat postflop

Da CO je bio fish 40/20, mislio sam da cu od njega dobiti call jer mu je fold to 3bet bio mali. A sto se tice utg-a njegov range za 4bet je 3%, uzevsi u obzir da je i utg da bi trebao taj procenat biti jos manji, to mu dodje JJ+, AKs, AKo, i protiv tog range-a imamo 43% po pokerstove-u, sa AKo imamo jos -5%, to je -EV play, to znaci da u tim situacijama fold je najprofitabilniji potez, imam dosta takvih situacija pa bi voleo da znam da li je to pravilno razmisljanje

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Don Stefanello napisao:

Pa mislim da mi on tu ne bi bacio na raise ni KQ ni AJ ili neki OESD,

Zbog cega to mislis?


400 handova je mislim malo procjenit pravi 4bet range nekako na full ringu, korisnije bi bilo da imamo note i znamo da je vec napravio nesto slicno sa TT npr ovako ne vjerujem da ima JJ on tu. s obzirom da imas poziciju ja bi callao

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Pa mislim da ce sa tim kartama gotovo sigurno hteti da vidi turn jer ako zna da dosta cbetuje verovatno ocekuje da ga ja light raisujem na flopu i da su to karte sa kojima bi hteo nastaviti na turn!?

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Dobro razmisljas ali tako bi tek razmisljao protiv nekog na kome imam 2k+ handova i hrpu noteova i znam da taj netko koristi mozak i zamjecuje neke stvari koje ja radim. imas 75 handova na njemu i velik gap izmedju vpip/prf i takav protivnik sigurno ne razmislja na taj nacin i kako ti njega vidis, vidi svoje karte, board i 3beta te samo sa value rangeom protiv kojeg si los.

di igras full ring?

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Da tako sam nesto i mislio samo je problem i bio u mojoj glavi sto nisam odmah hteo da mu dam na flopu ruku iako znam da je to bacanje para.

Igram na PS

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moze nick?  kad ima najvise ljudi na nl50?

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Ne bih bas da ostavljam nick, sry. Najvise ima oko 17, 18 sati koliko sam primetio ako ne gresim. Ali ja imam filter ukljucen i u svako doba dana igram 24 stola tako da prakticno i nije mnogo bitno ali tako oko 18 ima najvise fisheva

Zadnji popravljao Don Stefanello (09-06-2011 13:50:12)

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