Tema: NL25 QQ multi x2

zanima me play na flopu. koji je najbolji line?
shove, call/fold na shove, call/call?

ja se volim ovdje zgurat pa sta bude, posebno kad imam loose 3betora. prvi hend sam se dvoumio shove/call/fold, dok sam u drugom bio puno sigurniji sa ribom iza.

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.25

BB (Hero) ($25)
BTN ($43.38) -- VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 7, AF: 1.8, Hands: 175
SB ($19.38) -- VPIP: 33, PFR: 22, 3B: 6, AF: 1.4, Hands: 141

Dealt to BB (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.35)

BTN raises to $0.75, SB raises to $2.25, BB (Hero) calls $2, BTN calls $1.5

Flop: (Pot is $6.75, 3 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png
SB bets $4.25, BB (Hero) raises to $22.75 (All-In), BTN raises to $41.13 (All-In), SB calls $12.88 (All-In)

Turn: (Pot is $87.76, 3 players, 3 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png

River: (Pot is $87.76, 3 players, 3 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3D.png

                                                                     
Total Pot: $87.76 | Rake: $69.38





Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.25

CO ($17.88) -- VPIP: 65, PFR: 14, 3B: 8, AF: 1.2, Hands: 74
BTN ($32.65)
SB ($25) -- VPIP: 25, PFR: 20, 3B: 10, AF: 4.5, Hands: 452
BB ($35.67)
UTG ($27.74)
MP (Hero) ($25)

Dealt to MP (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.35)

UTG folds, MP (Hero) raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB raises to $4.5, BB folds, MP (Hero) calls $3.75, CO calls $3.75, BTN folds

Flop: (Pot is $14.5, 3 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png
SB bets $7, MP (Hero) raises to $20.5 (All-In), CO calls $13.38 (All-In), SB calls $13.5 (All-In)

Turn: (Pot is $68.88, 3 players, 3 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png

River: (Pot is $68.88, 3 players, 3 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png

                                                                     
Total Pot: $68.88 | Rake: $68.88

Zadnji popravljao whitewalk3r (18-04-2012 09:05:36)

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Re: NL25 QQ multi x2

1 hand si mogao i 4betat pf jer se 3 handed stvori agresivnija dinamika tako da mozes dobit call ili 5bet od dosta slabijih handova jer ni ti ne repas 4 betom nuzno monstera.. ali call je sasvim koretkan, to samo napominjem za 4 bet da i o tome vodis racuna.
Kad villan cbeta u 3 betanom potu 3 way vjerojatno ima neku vrstu handa sto znaci da ces dobit call kad zguras, ali znaci također da ces nekad bit bitan samo sto naravno fold na flopu ne dolazi u obzir. Mislim da si hand odigrao dobro

2 hand mogao si isto 4betat pf, pokupis dead money i stakas se vs SB-ovog "TT+, AK" rangea, call je mozda uredu ako znas da SB 3beta polarizirano ali mislim da nije slucaj.. mislim da kad callas pf u ovim spotovima najcesce desit da moras odustat kad flop donese A ili K, a kad ne donese to onda ce ugl bit neki mali koordinirani flop kojeg SB nece cbetat ako nije pogodio. Ne kazem da je call grozan, ako je CO npr fish koji skoro nikad ne folda na 3betove onda ima razloga za call, samo sto ce ti u svakom slucaju bit tesko odigrat flop

when you feel like quitting think about why you started..
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Re: NL25 QQ multi x2

Tonac napisao:

1 hand si mogao i 4betat pf jer se 3 handed stvori agresivnija dinamika tako da mozes dobit call ili 5bet od dosta slabijih handova jer ni ti ne repas 4 betom nuzno monstera.. ali call je sasvim koretkan, to samo napominjem za 4 bet da i o tome vodis racuna.
Kad villan cbeta u 3 betanom potu 3 way vjerojatno ima neku vrstu handa sto znaci da ces dobit call kad zguras, ali znaci također da ces nekad bit bitan samo sto naravno fold na flopu ne dolazi u obzir. Mislim da si hand odigrao dobro

2 hand mogao si isto 4betat pf, pokupis dead money i stakas se vs SB-ovog "TT+, AK" rangea, call je mozda uredu ako znas da SB 3beta polarizirano ali mislim da nije slucaj.. mislim da kad callas pf u ovim spotovima najcesce desit da moras odustat kad flop donese A ili K, a kad ne donese to onda ce ugl bit neki mali koordinirani flop kojeg SB nece cbetat ako nije pogodio. Ne kazem da je call grozan, ako je CO npr fish koji skoro nikad ne folda na 3betove onda ima razloga za call, samo sto ce ti u svakom slucaju bit tesko odigrat flop

+1
govoris ka prosek

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Re: NL25 QQ multi x2

hvala na analizi.

u prvom hendu je 3betor imo KK, a tag iza mene AsJs.
dok me u drugom hendu iznenadio 3betor sa KT a riba je imala standardno smece 76.

evo jos jedan od jucer, zanima me prvenstveno play na turnu.
jel mogu ja pronac fold nakon njegovog c/r? jer ako se pitam koji hend bitam, nevidim niti jedan, a tesko da ce AJ odigrat na ovaj nacin.
i jos jedna stvar, jel bi bilo okej betat manje na turnu, tipa 5$ pa onda foldat na rejz/shove jer nisam toliko komitan?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.25

BB ($25) --  VPIP: 26, PFR: 23, 3B: 7, AF: 2.6, Hands: 253
UTG (Hero) ($27.42)
MP ($40.28)
CO ($24.65)
BTN ($28.88)
SB ($9.75)

Dealt to UTG (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.35)

UTG (Hero) raises to $0.75, MP & CO & BTN fold, SB calls $0.65, BB raises to $3, UTG (Hero) calls $2.25, SB folds

Flop: (Pot is $6.75, 2 players)

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BB bets $3.6, UTG (Hero) calls $3.6

Turn: (Pot is $13.95, 2 players)

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BB checks, UTG (Hero) bets $7.75, BB raises to $15.5, Hero???

Zadnji popravljao whitewalk3r (18-04-2012 11:04:05)

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Mislim da nemozes u 3betanom potu callat flop i b/foldat turn 100bb deep sa over parom, vec si unutra, komitan si.. zelis se zgurat, samo sto bi radje vidio call nego raise  big_smile 
a sad villanov range neznam koji bi mogao bit, (vjerojatno se pojavio ja JJ) ali tvoj generalni plan kad si callao QQ pf je zgurat se do rivera na relativno safe bordovima (bez A, K).. on ce se tu dovoljno cesto pojavit sa nekim TP, TT ili AK handom da callas turn bez problema imo

when you feel like quitting think about why you started..
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da pojavio se JJ pa sam poceo sumnjat u play. a i gore se nisam najbolje proveo sa QQ tako da u zadnje vrijeme nisam sretan kad ih vidim.

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zasto ti ne 4b QQ pre flop..nezelis se stackat snjima ili mislis daq ce bb foldat?

next year at this time i will be milionar....a vrime je..

Re: NL25 QQ multi x2

zarinjo napisao:

zasto ti ne 4b QQ pre flop..nezelis se stackat snjima ili mislis daq ce bb foldat?

draze mi je ovako ulazit u teske spotove  big_smile

ma, mislim da je totalno marginalan stackoff PF.
draze mi je vidit low board pa se on zabit. mozda grijesim ali cini mi se da cu rijetko vidit JJ, vise manje KK+/AK ako se stackam PF.
evo u prvom hendu gore je frajer imo KK, malo prije sam se zabio sa KK vs AA, jucer sa QQ vs AA itd...

Zadnji popravljao whitewalk3r (18-04-2012 19:42:45)

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whitewalk3r napisao:

ma, mislim da je totalno marginalan stackoff PF.

Možda protiv niteva, a u sva 3 primjera imaš likove s minimalno 7% 3betom

MAMIĆU CIGANE ODLAZI IZ SVETINJE!!!
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7-karti pastuh napisao:
whitewalk3r napisao:

ma, mislim da je totalno marginalan stackoff PF.

Možda protiv niteva, a u sva 3 primjera imaš likove s minimalno 7% 3betom

Onda je i bolje da samo calla jer zadrzava sve bluffove u tih 7% u handu,a nije mu tesko
zastackat se ako nije A ili K na boardu

Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (18-04-2012 22:03:32)

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Nekad je bolje, a nekad i nije. Ak si siguran da možeš dobit veći value postflop onda ćeš flatat, ali najčešće se dovedeš u ovakve situacije kad neznaš di si...

MAMIĆU CIGANE ODLAZI IZ SVETINJE!!!
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whitewalk3r napisao:

da pojavio se JJ pa sam poceo sumnjat u play. a i gore se nisam najbolje proveo sa QQ tako da u zadnje vrijeme nisam sretan kad ih vidim.

Mislin da tu on nikad ne blefa niti tako igra sa TT  a ni sa TPTK tako da je po meni to fold ..jer ces cesce bit u krivu nego u pravu...a i znas da masu riba ti c/duble reisa nuts(sto ne znaci da ces uvik foldat) ali na vakvom bordu i uz takv play mislin da je to cisti FOLD

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lolohebic123 napisao:
whitewalk3r napisao:

da pojavio se JJ pa sam poceo sumnjat u play. a i gore se nisam najbolje proveo sa QQ tako da u zadnje vrijeme nisam sretan kad ih vidim.

Mislin da tu on nikad ne blefa niti tako igra sa TT  a ni sa TPTK tako da je po meni to fold ..jer ces cesce bit u krivu nego u pravu...a i znas da masu riba ti c/duble reisa nuts(sto ne znaci da ces uvik foldat) ali na vakvom bordu i uz takv play mislin da je to cisti FOLD

treba callat jos 7.75 za pot od oko 36,stim da jos ima 3 behind...tako da i moze bit cesce u krivu

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