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Re: MS_PAINT hands ;D

Mislis da te ne bi 4betao s AA/KK? Koliki mu je c/r?

Chuck Norris ima PFR>VPIP!
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MS_PAINT napisao:

pogresno ??

Da

when you feel like quitting think about why you started..
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Re: MS_PAINT hands ;D

i još te minrejza, samo zbog toga mu nebi foldao  lol  lol

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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Re: MS_PAINT hands ;D

ep open rejz? fold to 3bet?
ako je nit tipa ohcanada na nl25 onda flat pre i igraj post

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Re: MS_PAINT hands ;D

cuj dobio si flop koji si htio, ne velim da nije fold al to nije pravo pitanje ovdije.

kak veli andre ovdje je pitanje pravog playa puno ranije.

pitaš se prije zakaj 3betam, za value? hoće li calat s JJ, TT, 99 ako da ok, ako ne onda flataš, također ako vs 3bet samo 4beta ili folda šteta ti onda 3betat, opet zavisi kaj 4beta ali ovakav nit mislim da neće slabije

kaj se handa tiće fakat bez dodatnih statsa/readova teško je reć.

ima onih nitova 12/5, koji su dosta spazni, ono rijetko uđe u pot al kad uđe onda misli da treba i dobit, pa ak fula zna radit sranja, al ovaj mi se čini da je baš pravi, kad igra onda i ima, takvima ne dajem akciju bez stvarno kvalitetnog handa, bilo draw ili made.

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Dali je ovo ispravan call ??
Prva ruka za stolom. O protivniku nemam nikakvih podataka. Na flopu sam radio pola pota bet, nadajuci se da ima AK i da ce mu se uciniti kao Cbet te da ce raditi rerejz

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.25

BTN ($25)
SB ($25.85)
BB (MS_PAINT1) ($25)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($25)
MP ($9.65)
MP+1 ($23.86)
CO ($28.26)

Dealt to BB (MS_PAINT1)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.35)

UTG & UTG+1 & MP & MP+1 fold, CO raises to $0.75, BTN & SB fold, BB (MS_PAINT1) raises to $2, CO calls $1.25

Flop: (Pot is $4.1, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png
BB (MS_PAINT1) bets $1.9, CO calls $1.9

Turn: (Pot is $7.9, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png
BB (MS_PAINT1) bets $4.6, CO calls $4.6

River: (Pot is $17.1, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png
BB (MS_PAINT1) checks, CO bets $6.5, BB (MS_PAINT1) calls $6.5

                                                                     
Total Pot: $30.1 | Rake: $1.46

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Re: MS_PAINT hands ;D

zasto tako mali 3bet? ja bi najmanje dadno rejz od 2.50, i dadno bi vise flop.
as played neznam sta beatamo al uvijek dadnem call i uvijek dadne QK/AK

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Re: MS_PAINT hands ;D

Bolje da si ti njemu betnuo jedan protekšn, malo thin value betić, nego da si checknuo, pa callnuo. Zapravo bi bio idealan ovaj njegov sizing.

Nowdays, at financial crisis, I dont give people to much kredit for second and third barrel!
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Par grešaka...

1. Veći raise PF (za value, i zato jer su veće šanse da ćeš dobit call pošto je on IP)
2. Greška u razmišljanju - igraš protiv range-a, a ne protiv handa i s obzirom da su kod tebe 2 asa, njegov range se sastoji od puno manje AK
3. Greška u razmišljanju - i da ima AK, a ti cbetaš sa zrakom pa zašto bi te raise-ao? Pa ako ništa nemaš cilj mu je valjda zadržat te u potu. Što se samog sizinga tiče nije neka greška, ali ako će platit/raiseat taj bet, napravit će isto i za malo veći bet...
4. Mislim da ništa što on beta na riveru ne beataš osim QQ, iako nekako sam uvjeren da ekipa na tom levelu ne beta QQ...
U svakom slučaju bet mi se čini bolji od c/c, ali c/f vjeroajtno bolji od beta...

Zadnji popravljao AlphaScorpii (04-11-2011 13:32:26)

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Andre_787 napisao:

zasto tako mali 3bet? ja bi najmanje dadno rejz od 2.50, i dadno bi vise flop.
as played neznam sta beatamo al uvijek dadnem call i uvijek dadne QK/AK

Na stranu to kako je odigrano, zanimao me dali je ovo bio call na riveru na ovako mali bet. Jer ovo je jedna od onih situacija gdje pritišćeš dugme call a znaš da bacaš novac tj. da si izgubio ruku ;D

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Ovako odigrano je call na riveru. I to easy.
Ne znas nist o protivniku, al to nije ni bitno. Moras biti dobar jednom od 4-5 puta da ti je isplativo.
Istina je da on ovo cesto beta za value, al naci ce se tu povremeno i bluff. Realno, kad ti u tom spotu checkiras river, jel ikad imas K?

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rounder1984 napisao:

Istina je da on ovo cesto beta za value, al naci ce se tu povremeno i bluff.

Koji je po tebi villianov bluff range na riveru ovdje?

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Re: MS_PAINT hands ;D

77-JJ, AQ, AJ od onoga sta beata. Ne nuzno, ne vjerojatno, al moguce.

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Re: MS_PAINT hands ;D

Dali bi ovo chekirali na riveru ??

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

UTG+2 ($31.17)
MP ($25.78)
MP+1 ($28.77)
MP+2 ($23.29)
CO ($11.76)
BTN (MSPAINT1) ($20.28)
SB ($6)
BB ($20)
UTG ($6.3)
UTG+1 ($31.11)

Dealt to BTN (MSPAINT1)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG & UTG+1 fold, UTG+2 raises to $0.8, MP & MP+1 & MP+2 & CO fold, BTN (MSPAINT1) calls $0.8, SB & BB fold

Flop: (Pot is $1.9, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png
UTG+2 bets $1.52, BTN (MSPAINT1) calls $1.52

Turn: (Pot is $4.94, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png
UTG+2 bets $3.67, BTN (MSPAINT1) calls $3.67

River: (Pot is $12.28, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png
UTG+2 checks, BTN (MSPAINT1) bets $6, UTG+2 raises to $25.18 (All-In), BTN (MSPAINT1) calls $8.29 (All-In)

Showdown:
UTG+2 shows
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png
(Three of a Kind, Kings)

BTN (MSPAINT1) has
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png
(Three of a Kind, Twos)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $51.75 | Rake: $2.04

Winners:
UTG+2 wins $49.71

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cb bi river. Ne vidim s čim će nas callat, a da mi beatamo osim neka random 2 para. Ako već betaš river, onda je to b/f.

Zadnji popravljao AlphaScorpii (24-12-2011 16:50:46)

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wow, epic hand od obojice. Njegov CR je sulud, a tvoj call još gori. eventualno bih betao oko 2.5$.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Rear_Admiral napisao:

wow, epic hand od obojice. Njegov CR je sulud, a tvoj call još gori.

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Podatci protivniku nikakvi tek treca ruka.
Nisam ga htio reraise na turnu, jer je bord bio scary za njega, htio sam to ostaviti river...
Zanima me kako bi odigrali ovo.

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

CO ($20)
BTN (MSPAINT1) ($21.27)
SB ($7.5)
BB ($20.3)
UTG ($23.01)
UTG+1 ($20.3)
MP ($23.07)
MP+1 ($5.6)
MP+2 ($22.7)

Dealt to BTN (MSPAINT1)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.7, MP & MP+1 & MP+2 & CO fold, BTN (MSPAINT1) calls $0.7, SB & BB fold

Flop: (Pot is $1.7, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png
UTG+1 bets $1, BTN (MSPAINT1) calls $1

Turn: (Pot is $3.7, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png
UTG+1 bets $2, BTN (MSPAINT1) calls $2

River: (Pot is $7.7, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png
UTG+1 bets $6, BTN (MSPAINT1) raises to $13, UTG+1 raises to $16.6 (All-In), BTN (MSPAINT1) calls $3.6

Showdown:
UTG+1 shows
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png
(Flush, Ace high)

BTN (MSPAINT1) has
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png
(Straight, Ten high)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $40.9 | Rake: $2.04

Winners:
UTG+1 wins $38.86




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reraise turn. as played raise river nema nikakvog smisla jer te ništa slabije ne plaća...

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iAcesHigh napisao:

reraise turn. as played raise river nema nikakvog smisla jer te ništa slabije ne plaća...

Da, ali sa tim mu jasno dajem do znanja da imam skalu i vjerovatno bih ga istjerao iz ruke, a htio sam izvuci jos koji dolar iz njega big_smile

p.s. stavio sam ga na neki overpair, iako je imao cudne betove...

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raise flop

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idrga napisao:

raise flop

+1

A svako gubi bar ponekad, ali nikad Boža zvani Pub

Re: MS_PAINT hands ;D

Raise flop, raise turn, a kako je odigrano ja bi samo platio river.

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Imam osjećaj da u ovakvim situacijama često izvlačim premalo novca od protivnika
Vrlo malo podataka o oba protivnika na par ruka imaju slične statuse cca 30/15.

Kako bi vi ovo odigrali, reraise flop?? reraise turn ?? check/raise river??

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

MP+1 ($14.59)
MP+2 ($5.08)
CO ($6.3)
BTN ($16)
SB (MSPAINT1) ($15.76)
BB ($16.5)
UTG ($10.5)
UTG+1 ($5.15)
MP ($10)

Dealt to SB (MSPAINT1)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & UTG+1 & MP & MP+1 & MP+2 fold, CO calls $0.1, BTN raises to $0.2, SB (MSPAINT1) calls $0.15, BB calls $0.1, CO calls $0.1

Flop: (Pot is $0.8, 4 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png
SB (MSPAINT1) checks, BB checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.6, SB (MSPAINT1) calls $0.6, BB calls $0.6, CO folds

Turn: (Pot is $2.6, 3 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png
SB (MSPAINT1) checks, BB bets $2, BTN calls $2, SB (MSPAINT1) calls $2

River: (Pot is $8.6, 3 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png
SB (MSPAINT1) bets $4, BB & BTN fold

                                                                     
Total Pot: $12.6 | Rake: $0.57

Winners:
SB (MSPAINT1) wins $12.03




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Možeš rejzati flop ili turn. Drawovi i K će te platiti.

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