Tema: NL10 par handova

zanima me kako bi vi odigrali ovaj hand
Villain je VPIP: 35, PFR: 19, 3B: 14, AF: 6.8, Hands: 84

nekako mi se cinilo da sere kad me 3bet na flopu, da nema overpair, pa reko idem 4bet i onda fold.
na kraju nisam mogo foldat :-)

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

MP ($13.49)
CO ($3.85)
BTN (money_tra1n) ($14.21)
SB ($8.68)
BB ($13.1)
UTG ($15.7)

Dealt to BTN (money_tra1n)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG folds, MP calls $0.1, CO folds, BTN (money_tra1n) raises to $0.5, SB & BB fold, MP calls $0.4

Flop: (Pot is $1.15, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png
MP checks, BTN (money_tra1n) bets $0.9, MP raises to $2.35, BTN (money_tra1n) raises to $3.8, MP raises to $12.99 (All-In), BTN (money_tra1n) calls $9.19

Turn: (Pot is $27.13, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png

River: (Pot is $27.13, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png

                                                                     
Total Pot: $27.13 | Rake: $27.13

Zadnji popravljao whitewalk3r (25-01-2012 21:11:18)

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eo jos dva sa AK, zanima me jel ovo standard play, i jel se isplati na duge staze...
i dali trebam nesto balansirati ovisno o statsima villana

villan 1 : VPIP: 25, PFR: 20, 3B: 10, AF: 3.0, Hands: 102

villan 2: VPIP: 15, PFR: 11, 3B: 3, AF: 4.5, Hands: 95

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

SB ($13.55)
BB ($10)
UTG ($3.22)
CO (money_tra1n) ($11.41)
BTN ($16.33)

Dealt to CO (money_tra1n)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG folds, CO (money_tra1n) raises to $0.3, BTN folds, SB raises to $1, BB folds, CO (money_tra1n) raises to $2.5, SB raises to $13.55 (All-In), CO (money_tra1n) calls $8.91 (All-In),

Flop: (Pot is $22.92, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png

Turn: (Pot is $22.92, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png

River: (Pot is $22.92, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png

                                                                     
Total Pot: $22.92 | Rake: $1.14

Winners:
CO (money_tra1n) wins $21.78

Seat 1: Langolier86 (small blind) showed [Qc Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens




PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

BTN ($10.42)
SB ($10)
BB ($7.6)
UTG (money_tra1n) ($11.62)
MP ($10)
CO ($25.43)

Dealt to UTG (money_tra1n)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG (money_tra1n) raises to $0.3, MP raises to $1, CO & BTN & SB & BB fold, UTG (money_tra1n) raises to $3.6, MP raises to $10 (All-In), UTG (money_tra1n) calls $6.4

Flop: (Pot is $20.15, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png

Turn: (Pot is $20.15, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png

River: (Pot is $20.15, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png

                                                                     
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.15 | Rake $1

Seat 5: d10seib mucked [Kc Kh]

Zadnji popravljao whitewalk3r (25-01-2012 21:27:53)

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whitewalk3r napisao:

nekako mi se cinilo da sere kad me 3bet na flopu, da nema overpair

Sto si tocno mislio? Napisat cu ti moje misljenje sto se handa tice kad odgovoris.

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AlphaScorpii napisao:
whitewalk3r napisao:

nekako mi se cinilo da sere kad me 3bet na flopu, da nema overpair

Sto si tocno mislio? Napisat cu ti moje misljenje sto se handa tice kad odgovoris.

ajde probat cu

mislio sam po statsima da ima sirok range, dosta je agresivan/sere, nije reraise preflop pa nema overpair. mislio sam da ima overkarte, ali sam se lagano ustrtario. uglavnom odigrao sam ono sto mi je prvo palo na pamet.

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whitewalk3r napisao:
AlphaScorpii napisao:
whitewalk3r napisao:

nekako mi se cinilo da sere kad me 3bet na flopu, da nema overpair

Sto si tocno mislio? Napisat cu ti moje misljenje sto se handa tice kad odgovoris.

ajde probat cu

mislio sam po statsima da ima sirok range, dosta je agresivan/sere, nije reraise preflop pa nema overpair. mislio sam da ima overkarte, ali sam se lagano ustrtario. uglavnom odigrao sam ono sto mi je prvo palo na pamet.

Na ovom flopu sigurno ima sirok range s kojim ce te raise-at (nije te 3betao, ti si njega 3betao) i ako si ga vec stavio na neke overe (iako ne vjerujem da ce tako agresivno odigrat), drawove itd. onda si ok odigrao, jedino ti je sizing 3bet-a loš. Dao su mu oddse da ganja i overe i drawove.

U svakom slucaju, mislim da dosta o protivniku ovisi sto napravit u ovoj situaciji... ako je neki ludak i ja bi se zgurao, iako ovako kad objektivno gledam, mislim da bi foldao na njegov raise.

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whitewalk3r napisao:

eo jos dva sa AK, zanima me jel ovo standard play, i jel se isplati na duge staze...
i dali trebam nesto balansirati ovisno o statsima villana

villan 1 : VPIP: 25, PFR: 20, 3B: 10, AF: 3.0, Hands: 102

villan 2: VPIP: 15, PFR: 11, 3B: 3, AF: 4.5, Hands: 95

Prvi hand standard, drugi hand ja bih odigrao call preflop i nastavio sukladno flopu i villanovoj akciji. Njegov 3bet % za 6max igru je puno premali i govori sam za sebe. Kao što se na kraju i ispostavilo smile

Što se 89 tiče, s onim agro faktorom vilana stvarno je teško bacit top par, ali svakako moraš jače 3betat na flopu - ako se spremaš ići do kraja - jer ovako samo sebe stavljaš u tešku sitauciju.

Ako misliš da villan nije sposoban za 4bet (semi)blufove, onda callaš reraise i dalje kako bi forumaši rekli reevaluate tongue


Eto, moja 2.5 centa

Zadnji popravljao TVex (25-01-2012 22:05:36)

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Iako, sad kad malo gledam tvoje 4bet sizinge s AK, daj mi reci zašto si LAG-a 4betao za 2.5x (što je ok), a TAG-a 3.5x?

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ne kuzim zasto ovdje govorite da se radi o mom 3betu na flopu

MP checks, BTN (money_tra1n) bets $0.9, MP raises to $2.35, BTN (money_tra1n) raises to $3.8, MP raises to $12.99 (All-In),

ja raiseam (cbet), on reraisa(3bet??) i ja reraisam(4bet) zar ne? ili ja nesto krivo brijem...

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whitewalk3r napisao:

ne kuzim zasto ovdje govorite da se radi o mom 3betu na flopu

MP checks, BTN (money_tra1n) bets $0.9, MP raises to $2.35, BTN (money_tra1n) raises to $3.8, MP raises to $12.99 (All-In),

ja raiseam (cbet), on reraisa(3bet??) i ja reraisam(4bet) zar ne? ili ja nesto krivo brijem...

raise/bet = 1st bet
reraise = 2nd bet
re-reraise = 3rd bet

Kužiš?

Prije flopa je 1st bet = blind ulog
Tako da je preflop raise zapravo 2bet.

Jel ti sad jasnije?

Zadnji popravljao TVex (25-01-2012 22:07:28)

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Kad razmisliš, logično je da 3bet označava "treći bet". Dakle, bet -> raise > re-raise (3bet). Tebe zbunjuje PF akcija sa post-flop akcijom jer PF je Bblind ("bet") -> raise -> re-raise (3bet)

EDIT:

Sad vidim da je TVex objasnio

Zadnji popravljao AlphaScorpii (25-01-2012 22:07:45)

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TVex napisao:

Iako, sad kad malo gledam tvoje 4bet sizinge s AK, daj mi reci zašto si LAG-a 4betao za 2.5x (što je ok), a TAG-a 3.5x?

zato sto sam danas gledo bet sizeing ovisno o poziciji, pa sam zabrijo na vece rejzove OOP.
mislim da uopce nisam gledo statse, posebno ovaj 3B = 3.

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da sad kuzim, mislio sam ak je PF 3bet da je i na flopu isto :-)
thx

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whitewalk3r napisao:
TVex napisao:

Iako, sad kad malo gledam tvoje 4bet sizinge s AK, daj mi reci zašto si LAG-a 4betao za 2.5x (što je ok), a TAG-a 3.5x?

zato sto sam danas gledo bet sizeing ovisno o poziciji, pa sam zabrijo na vece rejzove OOP.
mislim da uopce nisam gledo statse, posebno ovaj 3B = 3.

Ma da, ali u 4betanju sizinzi uglavnom ne igraju preveliku igru, jer dobri regovi u 100bb stack igri ili 5bet-shoveaju ili foldaju na 4bet.  smile
Uostalom, dosta teško je foldat 6.4$ u pot od 15-ak kad te se shovea...
Pa to i nije loš potez ako se želiš komitati, pa sam sebi stvoriti sitauciju da imaš dovoljno dobre oddse da callaš shove (iako te ovaj nit neće shoveat s ničim osim AA i KK, rekao bih). Samo što bi to netko tko zna promatrati mogao bilježiti i iskorištavati smile

Ali nebitno. Za nl10 definitivno.

Zadnji popravljao TVex (25-01-2012 22:23:03)

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ako misliš da sere zašto ga 3betaš na flopu, foldat će ti sve bluffove a zgurat sve što te beata.
callaj njegov rejz na flopu i igraj turn ak misliš da sere.

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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RedDevil_7 napisao:

ako misliš da sere zašto ga 3betaš na flopu, foldat će ti sve bluffove a zgurat sve što te beata.
callaj njegov rejz na flopu i igraj turn ak misliš da sere.

zato sto sam tjeo odmah rjesit hand, mislio sam da ce foldat. a ako zgura onda nesto ima i foldam.
na kraju sam se predomislio i napravio call.

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jel ovo dobro odigrano?

UTG: VPIP: 28, PFR: 28, 3B: 15, AF: 3.0, Hands: 40
SB: VPIP: 33, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 2.8, Hands: 153

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

UTG ($12.65)
CO (money_tra1n) ($13.98)
BTN ($10)
SB ($28.2)
BB ($25.23)

Dealt to CO (money_tra1n)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG raises to $0.3, CO (money_tra1n) raises to $0.9, BTN folds, SB calls $0.85, BB folds, UTG calls $0.6

Flop: (Pot is $2.8, 3 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png
SB checks, UTG checks, CO (money_tra1n) bets $1.5, SB calls $1.5, UTG raises to $4, CO (money_tra1n) raises to $13.08 (All-In), SB raises to $27.3 (All-In), UTG folds,

Turn: (Pot is $32.96, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png

River: (Pot is $32.96, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5C.png

                                                                     
Total Pot: $32.96 | Rake: $32.96

Zadnji popravljao whitewalk3r (28-01-2012 13:52:55)

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nakon ovakve akcije najčešće si crushan, povećao bi sizeing 3beta i beta na flopu...
3bet do 1.10$, bet na flopu barem 2$..
utg mi nije nimalo jasan, 4 way rejza do 4$ i folda, spewy lik očito ali sb ima ovdje set 90% vremena..

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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veći 3-bet i definitivno veći cbet... as played čini mi se ok...

RedDevil_7 napisao:

nakon ovakve akcije najčešće si crushan, povećao bi sizeing 3beta i beta na flopu...
3bet do 1.10$, bet na flopu barem 2$..
utg mi nije nimalo jasan, 4 way rejza do 4$ i folda, spewy lik očito ali sb ima ovdje set 90% vremena..

to možda možeš zaključiti kad vidiš da je callao njegov AI, ali call 1,5 u 2,8 s likom iza sebe može biti bilo koji overpar i FD bez beda... Gledajući UTG-a vjerojatno niti ovome ne treba dati previše kredita i možda se ovim gore rangeom pojavi i u AI...

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call ili fold river?
villan - VPIP: 20, PFR: 15, 3B: 9, AF: 1.8, Hands: 201

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

BB ($10)
UTG ($10.15)
MP ($10.32)
CO (money_tra1n) ($13.28)
BTN ($11.88)
SB ($6.89)

Dealt to CO (money_tra1n)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & MP fold, CO (money_tra1n) raises to $0.35, BTN raises to $1.1, SB & BB fold, CO (money_tra1n) calls $0.75

Flop: (Pot is $2.35, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png
CO (money_tra1n) checks, BTN bets $1.48, CO (money_tra1n) calls $1.48

Turn: (Pot is $5.31, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png
CO (money_tra1n) checks, BTN bets $2.3, CO (money_tra1n) calls $2.3

River: (Pot is $9.91, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png
CO (money_tra1n) checks, BTN bets $5.1, CO (money_tra1n) folds,

                                                                     
Total Pot: $9.91 | Rake: $0.48

Winners:
BTN wins $9.43




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-fold pre ili 4bet pre i fold na shove
-call je loš po meni jer si OOP i dogodit ce ti se upravo ovo
-ak si callao ovaj turn ne vidim zasto foldas river

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Mrtvi Jazavac napisao:

-ak si callao ovaj turn ne vidim zasto foldas river

Valjda jer nema puno nl10 regova koji 3b s airom.
Valjda.

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Fold preflop jer ne možeš profitabilno callat 3bet OOP bez bar nekakvog reada.

Prijavi se na PokerPro Coaching
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TVex napisao:
Mrtvi Jazavac napisao:

-ak si callao ovaj turn ne vidim zasto foldas river

Valjda jer nema puno nl10 regova koji 3b s airom.
Valjda.

Da, samo je problem kaj već na turnu ne beatamo ni jedan hand koji on value beta. Air ili AK+ (ako i to pasivac sa 1.8AF value beta).

Prijavi se na PokerPro Coaching
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gmiko napisao:
TVex napisao:
Mrtvi Jazavac napisao:

-ak si callao ovaj turn ne vidim zasto foldas river

Valjda jer nema puno nl10 regova koji 3b s airom.
Valjda.

Da, samo je problem kaj već na turnu ne beatamo ni jedan hand koji on value beta. Air ili AK+ (ako i to pasivac sa 1.8AF value beta).

Istina bog  neutral
Al opet, dosta loših regova 2b s airom, pa jednostavno odustanu na riveru.
A i bet na turnu je onak, manji od pola pota  neutral
Meni to sve zgleda ko thin value s AK bez nekog dodatnog infoa.


Usput, ako smijem ubacit jedan svoj hand s NL10:

http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/4019130

Na prvi pogled standardno, button vs blind, ali na drugi pogled:

- to je nl10, ne 4beta se baš lite neovisno o poziciji
- villan je 22/16/8%/8% (4b), ali na samo 150h i...
- ima fold to 3bet 0% (0/3)!!!

Dakle bez obzira na sample, očito da je jako nebalansiran i da sam ovo trebao foldat a ne shovat big_smile
Slažete li se?

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Re: NL10 par handova

foldaš pf da se ne dovodiš u ovakvu situaciju kasnije. jako jednostavna odluka koja, ako je sjebemo, posli zagorča život. ka šta i sam vidiš.
znaš i sam da si triba foldat pf, al srce neda smile

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