Tema: Neki handovi vs fisheva

Zanima me što mislite jesam li odigrao prethin ili preagresivno i opcenito sto mislite o situaciji u trecem handu.

1. Hand

Lik je standardni pasivan fish (50/10). Prije ovog handa je 2 puta iscallao moje PSB-ove do rivera i foldao na river vbet kad je sve missalo.
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

SB ($83.01)
BB ($58.56)
UTG ($82)
MP ($54.25)
CO (npp-Powergrid1) ($109.07)
BTN ($42.5)

Dealt to CO (npp-Powergrid1)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG & MP fold, CO (npp-Powergrid1) raises to $1.5, BTN & SB fold, BB calls $1

Flop: (Pot is $3.25, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png
BB checks, CO (npp-Powergrid1) bets $2.04, BB calls $2.04

Turn: (Pot is $7.33, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png
BB checks, CO (npp-Powergrid1) checks

River: (Pot is $7.33, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5C.png
BB bets $17.5, CO (npp-Powergrid1) raises to $105.53 (All-In)

2. hand

U vrijeme handa nisam znao jel lik donk ili spewy reg posto je imao nekih 40/25 na 4-max stolu, sizeovi betova su mu bili ok, ali je par puta sumnjivo iscallao bez razmisljanja.
Prilicno sam siguran da je bolje call, ali u trenu sam se htio zgurat sto prije... tad mi se cinilo kao ok play.

Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

SB ($54.78)
BB ($44.25)
UTG ($50.54)
BTN (npp-Powergrid1) ($57.64)

Dealt to BTN (npp-Powergrid1)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG calls $0.5, BTN (npp-Powergrid1) raises to $2.5, SB raises to $6.25, BB & UTG fold, BTN (npp-Powergrid1) calls $3.75

Flop: (Pot is $13.5, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png
SB bets $10, BTN (npp-Powergrid1) raises to $51.39 (All-In)


3. hand

Lik je nekakav fish-donk. Igra 70-10. Uzasan...

Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

SB ($36.9)
BB ($53.69)
UTG ($21.73)
BTN (npp-Powergrid1) ($65.12)

Dealt to BTN (npp-Powergrid1)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG raises to $2, BTN (npp-Powergrid1) raises to $5.5, SB & BB fold, UTG calls $3.5

Flop: (Pot is $11.75, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png
UTG checks, BTN (npp-Powergrid1) checks

Turn: (Pot is $11.75, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png
UTG bets $16.23 (All-In)

Zadnji popravljao AlphaScorpii (26-01-2012 15:21:09)

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Re: Neki handovi vs fisheva

!. Ja bi betao turn 5$, a river kako je odigrano mi je std jer nece foldat vise ni jedan flush

2. Mislim da je bolje zgurat flop, u lošem smo shapeu jedino protiv AdAx. Iako je spewy mislim da neće baš nastavit  blefat, a ako turn bricka i on beta nije ti svejedno

3. Foldao bi to. Imat će svakakva dva para, Ax koje će zgurat. Uglavnom ćini mi se prethin call. Jedino što bi veći 3bet za sitnicu, makar izgleda da rejza 10% QQ je nuts preflop

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Bet turn, river bi odigtao isto as played. Ali ne vidim zašto bi tu checkirao turn vs njega.

2. rađe bi 4betao pf nego call. Inače bi foldao ako je unknown, ali budući da si izolirao onda bi rađe 4bet, nemoj se dati natezati big_smile

3.call, gotovo pot bet, može imati svakakav random ili FD SD.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Omg nemoj 4betat KQ IP, pa to je valjd najbolji hand za flatat 3bet, kuzis da je 4max?

1. i 3. su ok imo, ali 2. bi call/call

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U handu 1 nisam betao turn jer mi se činilo da će dosta često foldat, a htio sam ga u handu zadržat, makar ovako kad gledam STD mi je bet na turnu.

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krivo si vidio!
On je callao 4bet sa KQ ip, sjebo si se turčine!

1. Protiv pasivnih fisheva uvijek betam ovaj turn! Ni ja ne znam jeli ship prethin, ali posto mislim da fishevi ne igraju ovako setove mislim da bih ipak samo callao jer ...... ne znam hahahaha mozda bih i shipao, navikao sam callat overbetove sa 3rd nutsevima jer nikada ne znam sto ce platiti ship overbeta da je slabije!
2. ako je prespewy  call call call , ne igram bas 6max, ni 4max pa nisam siguran u pf play.
3. call . Dva fd, air , oe,  mislim da je call ev+ , imas 3:1 za call !

Zadnji popravljao hendrixjimmi (26-01-2012 18:54:34)

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ne, ti si se sjebo

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1. obv bet turn, ima puno valuea i dosta equitya ak si behind. river bi callao, mislim da je prethin ship, nema puno slabijih boja a mislim da mu je calling range samo boja

2. call call. da manje beta flop, bilo bi ok i minrejz

3. call naravno

Fri 2012-08-17 17:50:06»⇓ mungos» POZDRAV SVIM BLEFERIMA
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Zeznuo sam, mislio sam da je na jako malo handova i da je prakticki unknown.
Kolko handova si imao na njemu, ako vec pises statse?

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Rear_Admiral napisao:

Zeznuo sam, mislio sam da je na jako malo handova i da je prakticki unknown.
Kolko handova si imao na njemu, ako vec pises statse?

Za koji hand pitaš?

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KQ, i mislim da je 4handed protiv unknowna IP najbolje flatat 3bet.

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Ovi komentari za prvi hand su suludi. 3 puta sam provjeravao, kad sam ovo pročitao, da li se možda spario board.
Ovo je najlakši ship ikad, a turn je isto easy bet.

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Tilt napisao:

KQ, i mislim da je 4handed protiv unknowna IP najbolje flatat 3bet.

Pa jel nije flato???

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fletao je 3bet , ja sam mislio da je utg openao!

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krkinho napisao:
Tilt napisao:

KQ, i mislim da je 4handed protiv unknowna IP najbolje flatat 3bet.

Pa jel nije flato???

odgovaro sam Rearu...

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Rear_Admiral napisao:

Zeznuo sam, mislio sam da je na jako malo handova i da je prakticki unknown.
Kolko handova si imao na njemu, ako vec pises statse?

Imao sam 50tak handova. Bio je lik i jucer na stolovima pa moguce da je neki spewy reg jer mi je izdonirao stack na dry boardu tako što je izbarrelo sva 3 streeta (nemogu reći da play nije bio dobar, ali jbga "skrivenu" skalu sam imao).

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Ok, ipak se slazem s tiltom oko tog handa.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Evo još jedan hand vs fisha. B/f najbolja akcija ovdje? Često znam uletit u ovakav spot na turnu di me raise-aju, zastackam se i ugl. sam beatan...

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

BTN ($54.31)
SB ($7.31)
BB (npp-Powergrid1) ($50)
UTG ($52.59)

Dealt to BB (npp-Powergrid1)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG calls $0.5, BTN folds, SB calls $0.25, BB (npp-Powergrid1) raises to $3, UTG calls $2.5, SB folds

Flop: (Pot is $6.5, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png
BB (npp-Powergrid1) bets $5, UTG calls $5

Turn: (Pot is $16.5, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png
BB (npp-Powergrid1) bets $12, UTG raises to $44.59 (All-In)

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Nekakav read? Statsi?

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Također puno je ovakvih spotova gdje se nađem sa dosta equit-ya, ali fish nemre foldat x-ti par, a ja preagresivno odigram... čini mi sa da bi općenito trebao malo smirit igru vs tih fisheva... sa TPTK il overparovima sam opsjednut da izvućem value iz lošijih handova i onda nemrem nać gumb fold, a opet kad imam dosta equity-a nemrem nać gumb check...


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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

BTN ($25.96)
SB ($7.08)
BB (npp-Powergrid1) ($127.3)

Dealt to BB (npp-Powergrid1)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

BTN calls $0.5, SB calls $0.25, BB (npp-Powergrid1) raises to $2.5, BTN calls $2, SB folds

Flop: (Pot is $5.5, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3S.png
BB (npp-Powergrid1) bets $3.5, BTN calls $3.5

Turn: (Pot is $12.5, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3S.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png
BB (npp-Powergrid1) bets $8, BTN raises to $19.96 (All-In), BB (npp-Powergrid1) calls $11.96

River: (Pot is $52.42, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png

Showdown:
BTN shows
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png
(One Pair, Sevens)

BB (npp-Powergrid1) shows
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png
(High Cards, King Queen high)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $52.42 | Rake: $3.14

Winners:
BTN wins $49.28

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shacal napisao:

Nekakav read? Statsi?

U ovom slučaju je lik imao 70/1. Nisam vidio niti jedan SD, ugl. je callao, ali je znao i sam opalit koji bet... ali više me zanimaju generalna razamišljanja u vezi ovakvih spotova nego baš konkretno ovaj.

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U prvom handu fino foldaš, jer da ima neki draw, raisao bi već na flopu. A ako je totalni pasivac, onda ti je jasno di si.

U drugom handu si ništa ne možeš zamjerit.

a opet kad imam dosta equity-a nemrem nać gumb check

Ja mislim da tu čak i ne bi trebalo checkirati čak i najveće statione, naravno u spotovima kad imamo monster drawove. Naravno da ćemo mu u određenom % vremena donirati 2b lovu, ali zato check-foldaš missani river, a kad hitaš, uzimaš mu stack. Mislim da to mora biti prilično EV+.

Ali ko sam ja da išta tvrdim  roll

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@tv
Ne bi isao 2barelat u drugom handu i chekirat river, to bi bio grijeh s tom rukom na ovom bordu gdje on ne moze nas staviti na draw (mada je fish, kuzi kad je nesto fulano, pogotovo ako je ocito)
Drugi hand bi manje betao turn jer s tako malim stackom ne ocekujem da folda J, a folda pp i slabije.
Prvi hand fold.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Rear_Admiral napisao:

om handu i chekirat river, to bi bio grijeh s tom rukom na ovom bordu gdje on ne moze nas staviti na draw (mada je fish, kuzi kad je nesto fulano, pogotovo ako je ocito)
Drugi hand bi manje betao turn jer s tako

Ma, ovo baš i nije neki monster draw, ne na turnu, pa nisam to reko konkretno za ovaj hand.
Iako, ovaj play je ispao savršen, jer barrela scare kartu, komita se i ima taman oddove za call (računajući da mu igra i kralj) protiv nekog prosječnog fishovog rejnđa.

Ali nisam baš skužio kaj si ti htio reć - dal treba 3b missani river protiv fisha ili ne?

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Htio sam rec da se ne slazem s tobom da nakon beta na turnu ne betas river, pogotovo ako imas monster draw kako si napisao u prvom postu. 2b i check river je burnanje love.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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