Tema: Hero fold (loš)

eo jedan loš fold.
na turnu sam se odlucio na semi bluff, nakon reraisa sam odlucio platit jer znam da imam implied odds ako dodje flush.
nakon river karte i njegovog insta shovea pomislio sam garant full i nije mi se dalo reskirat skoro 100bb.
meni izgleda savrseno reprezentiran nuts, mozda negdje grijesim?
rijetko tko izvodi ovakve poteze na NL10...

statsi villana
VPIP: 23, PFR: 20, 3B: 7, AF: 1.3, Hands: 40

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

BTN ($17.51)
SB ($8.58)
BB ($12.39)
UTG ($14.39)
MP ($10)
CO (Hero) ($21.48)

Dealt to CO (Hero)
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Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & MP fold, CO (Hero) raises to $0.35, BTN & SB fold, BB calls $0.25

Flop: (Pot is $0.75, 2 players)

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BB checks, CO (Hero) bets $0.5, BB calls $0.5

Turn: (Pot is $1.75, 2 players)

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BB checks, CO (Hero) bets $1.2, BB raises to $3, CO (Hero) calls $1.8

River: (Pot is $7.75, 2 players)

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BB bets $8.54 (All-In), CO (Hero) folds

Showdown:
BB shows
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(One Pair, Fives)

CO (Hero) has
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(Flush, Jack high)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $16.29 | Rake: $0.35

Winners:
BB wins $15.94




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Re: Hero fold (loš)

jos jedna. ovdje nisam zadovoljan kako sam odigro. sigurno se moze bolje, tj. izvuci vise para iz ovog.
moje razmisljanje..
flop nisam tjeo rejzat jel sam tjeo ribu u potu koja je isto deep. turn nisam tjeo rejzat jer je flush karta. a river sam se definitvno polakomio sa overbetom. za river sam siguran da sam trebo napravit normalan pot size bet ili 3/4 ali za ovo prije bas i nisam siguran u svoj play.

statsi rega VPIP: 16, PFR: 13, 3B: 7, AF: 3.5, Hands: 218
statsi ribe  VPIP: 40, PFR: 5, 3B: 5, AF: 2.4, Hands: 115

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

SB ($8.85)
BB ($10.43)
UTG (Hero) ($24.37)
MP ($17.93)
CO ($19.08)
BTN ($10)

Dealt to UTG (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG (Hero) raises to $0.35, MP calls $0.35, CO raises to $1.3, BTN & SB & BB fold, UTG (Hero) calls $0.95, MP calls $0.95

Flop: (Pot is $4.05, 3 players)

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UTG (Hero) checks, MP bets $0.6, CO raises to $2.2, UTG (Hero) calls $2.2, MP folds

Turn: (Pot is $9.05, 2 players)

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UTG (Hero) checks, CO bets $3.2, UTG (Hero) calls $3.2

River: (Pot is $15.45, 2 players)

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UTG (Hero) bets $17.67 (All-In), CO folds

                                                                     
Total Pot: $33.12 | Rake: $0.7

Winners:
UTG (Hero) wins $32.42




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Re: Hero fold (loš)

Ja bi raise i flop i turn u drugom handu, prije će te platit nego na riveru. Iako nema previše drawova, flop izgleda drawy.

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Re: Hero fold (loš)

prvi hand si mi nejasan totalno..ako ces foldat river kad imas maid hand-zasto? onda je bilo puno lakes odustat na flopu ti nemas nista..nemoras svaki flop c betat..neznan sta da ti recen..
p.s.drugi put nemoj postat sta je vilan ima da bude bar malo intersantnije za komentirat..

next year at this time i will be milionar....a vrime je..

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Re: Hero fold (loš)

1.LOL
2.LOL

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Re: Hero fold (loš)

zarinjo napisao:

prvi hand si mi nejasan totalno..ako ces foldat river kad imas maid hand-zasto? onda je bilo puno lakes odustat na flopu ti nemas nista..nemoras svaki flop c betat..neznan sta da ti recen..
p.s.drugi put nemoj postat sta je vilan ima da bude bar malo intersantnije za komentirat..

Zašto ne bi cbetao na onaj flop?
Pa neće valjda checkirat, to bi tek bila gluparija.

Prvi hand bi i ja vjerojatno foldo protiv unknowna (40 handova je unknown!)
Slažem se da se na nl10 baš ne viđaju ovakvi blefovi.

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Re: Hero fold (loš)

ja mu prvi hend nebi foldao nikad ako bi platio turn rejz..
a ako ga več na turnu stavljaš na set onda je fold ko kuća turn..

a drugi hend mi je odigran van pameti...nužan je 3bet na flopu dal unutra bila riba ili ko god 3way ste i deep, hočeš s nutsom napunit pot što prije i stackat se..CO očito ima QQ, KK i neče ti platiti river overbet shove a mogao si na flopu izvući možda sve..

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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Re: Hero fold (loš)

RedDevil_7 napisao:

ja mu prvi hend nebi foldao nikad ako bi platio turn rejz..
a ako ga več na turnu stavljaš na set onda je fold ko kuća turn..

Pa ako ga stavljaš na set, imaš taman oddove za drawoutati (mrvicu bolje od 3:1!!) Pa di ćeš to foldat?
Al kad se spari board i ovaj donka all in, call ti mora bit uspješan 34% puta, a i nisam baš siguran da na takav board i takav play na nl10, je to protiv unknowna koji dotad ima AF 1.2, baš  isplativo  hmm

edit: druga je stvar što on tu predstavlja praktički isključivo 33 ili vrlo slabo vjerojatnih 55.  roll

Zadnji popravljao TVex (18-02-2012 03:22:30)

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Re: Hero fold (loš)

svjestan sam ja da su oba henda lose odigrana, zato sam ih i stavio da cujem komentare.

uvijek kad imam nutse na flopu multiway gledam kako izvuci sto vise para pa se sjebem.
a za prvi imam isto razmisljanje kao TVex, vjerovatno na vecem limitu nemos ovo foldat, ali na NL10 mi je ovo izgledalo kao cisti fold.

isto kao sto sam ja napravio donk shove na drugom hendu sa nutsima, tako mi je izgledao shove na prvom hendu.
mislim tko to radi na NL10 za bluff?? mozda 2% igraca.

Zadnji popravljao whitewalk3r (18-02-2012 11:56:56)

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slazem se s Alphom

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Re: Hero fold (loš)

1. Ne znam zašto nitko ne stavlja neke osnovne podatke kada opisuje villiana, dakl e u ovom slučaju VPiP (bb) %, FvsFCB(fold na flop cbet)
FvsTCB(fold na turn cbet), CR_T(check raise turn), doduše ovdje je sample premali, ali nema veze nema potrebe da po defaultu pišeš
VPIP, PFR, 3BET, AF,   a izostavis neke osnovne podatke.
Mislim da je c/c na turnu bolji jer turn completa neke drawove nije totalni blank, a ako si agresivan i barelas cesto ces dobiti cr ovdje.
As played river call.

2. standardni cbet, 3bet na raise od nit rega i stackoff,  ako si već ovako odigrao , ja sam isto fan odigravanja nekih fency playeva na drawy boardu s nutsem, hand ti je totalno unreadan, ne moze te staviti  na JJ, prema tome as played c/c turn c/ship river!

I dobro je da stavis ovakve handove gdje si pogriješio da možemo diskutirati o njima, gdje mozes nauciti nesto.
Nisu mi jasni retardirani komentari  i kritike, napišite svoje mišljenje i thinking process, čovjek nije stavio hand jer zna da je dobro odigrao, nego zato što je svjestan da mora neke stvari promijeniti, to je puno bolje od postanja klasičnih dosadnih bad beatova i bragova od soulreadova!

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