Re: NL 20

pa sve te hendove (osim A3) koje repaš rejzaš na flopu, šta ne?
nečeš baš samo callati to 3way i dopustiti da dođe karta koja ti ubija akciju..

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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Re: NL 20

pa da,uglavnom,ali recimo da je ovaj  3. igrac na turnu fish i nebi morao
al ,dobro sam onda foldao

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Re: NL 20

Tilt napisao:

meh moze skidat regove sa TP+ pogotovo na nl20 gdje ne razmisljaju nego cim dobiju rejz foldaju. Ali ovo je jako los spot imo

+1

Inače ne sviđa mi se baš kako je hand odigran... prepasivno. Ja bi na flopu ili donkao ili c/r rađe nego samo call.

Zadnji popravljao AlphaScorpii (27-12-2011 22:40:31)

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Re: NL 20

Slažem se s Alphom da ako ideš blefat da je bolje flop. Ja bi rađe CR jer mislim da će na to više foldati nego donk. Da je viši limit onda donk, manje košta a više ljudi foldaju.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Re: NL 20

ivan031 napisao:

zanima me river play ovdje
igra 17/14/3.6 fold to steal iz BB mu je 94% i fold to flop cbet 58%

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

UTG ($14.14)
CO ($4.7)
BTN ($23.67)
SB (Hero) ($20)
BB ($23.79)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG calls $0.2, CO & BTN fold, SB (Hero) raises to $1, BB calls $0.8, UTG folds

Flop: (Pot is $2.2, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png
SB (Hero) bets $1.4, BB calls $1.4

Turn: (Pot is $5, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png
SB (Hero) bets $3, BB calls $3

River: (Pot is $11, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png

c/f imaš SD value a ne vidim od čega možeš dobit value osim možda QJ i nekih slabih Ax za koje sumnjam da limp/calla

ivan031 napisao:

jel ovo najbolje foldat?
pasivna riba 80/10/1.5,donka 20%

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

SB ($20.59)
BB ($21.68)
UTG ($15.87)
MP ($20)
CO (Hero) ($40.61)
BTN ($22.02)

Dealt to CO (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG calls $0.2, MP folds, CO (Hero) raises to $0.9, BTN & SB & BB fold, UTG calls $0.7

Flop: (Pot is $2.1, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png
UTG bets $0.4, CO (Hero) raises to $1.6, UTG calls $1.2

Turn: (Pot is $5.3, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png
UTG checks, CO (Hero) bets $3.4, UTG raises to $13.37 (All-In)

rejz više PF, tip calla 80%, rejz flop više, bet turn više... as played fold

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Re: NL 20

BB 23/18,  agr 2.9,  donk 2%
nisam ovdje znao sta napravit pa sam foldao jer nas je ipak toliko, a donkbet mu je jako mal %

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.15
Big Blind: $0.30

SB ($20.54)
BB ($32.16)
UTG (Hero) ($37.45)
MP ($29.55)
CO ($30)
BTN ($31.34)

Dealt to UTG (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.45)

UTG (Hero) raises to $0.9, MP calls $0.9, CO folds, BTN calls $0.9, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.6

Flop: (Pot is $4.5, 5 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png
SB checks, BB bets $3.45, Hero ??

Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (04-02-2012 21:40:01)

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Re: NL 20

Kad ovdje foldas, nemos pogrijesiti.

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Re: NL 20

23/18/2.0  3bet 6%, raise cbet 17%, fold to cbet 38%

rais cbet mu je malo veci tako da mozemi ovo radit i s airom,sd-o ili setom
dal tu 3betat i zgurat se ili fold,ako callam dosta losih karata mi dolazi a vjerojatno ce betat jos 1 street

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.15
Big Blind: $0.30

MP ($51.69)
CO ($30.27)
BTN ($10.12)
SB (Hero) ($31.41)
BB ($74.5)
UTG ($30.75)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.45)

UTG & MP & CO & BTN fold, SB (Hero) raises to $0.9, BB calls $0.6

Flop: (Pot is $1.8, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png
SB (Hero) bets $1.35, BB raises to $3.35

Turn: (Pot is $6.5, 2 players)


River: (Pot is $6.5, 2 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $6.5 | Rake: $6.5

Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (05-02-2012 18:08:11)

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Re: NL 20

Mislim da bi moj najcesci line bio call sa namjerom c/c 1 ili 2 str ovisno o bordu i villanu. Ali ni 3bet sa namjerom stak offanja mi nije los kad smo SB vs BB, samo nisam siguran za sizeing u tom slucaju, dali recimo 3betat do 10$-11$ za zgurat turn, dali do 7$-8$ pa betat turn i river ili mozda odmah zgurat  hmm

when you feel like quitting think about why you started..
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Re: NL 20

nisi napisao najbitniju stavku  =  AF.   (turn,river)
najbolji je call flop,  call turn i onda se valjda ravnat po tom af(river).  Mrzim ovakve spotove u 6max!

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Re: NL 20

za ovaj hand gore, 2.0 mu je agr,a ne nadem u hemu hand sad da ti kazem za svaki street pojeidnacno  big_smile





MP 18/15/  flop agr 5.7
BB 53/15/  agr 6.3  donk 63%


nisam 3beto pf jer mu je F3 71%,
jel ovo fold?
neznam sta  moze on tu imat kad rejza fisha a da mi odgovara,KQ jedino i mozda draw ,a neznam jel bi draw rejzao
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.15
Big Blind: $0.30

CO ($36.75)
BTN ($29.52)
SB (Hero) ($30.15)
BB ($23.4)
UTG ($75.21)
MP ($30.45)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.45)

UTG folds, MP raises to $0.9, CO & BTN fold, SB (Hero) calls $0.75, BB calls $0.6

Flop: (Pot is $2.7, 3 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png
SB (Hero) checks, BB bets $2.7, MP raises to $6.75,  Hero??

Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (06-02-2012 16:00:41)

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Re: NL 20

gurni mu dragane

I na kraju bude " HARAŠO"
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Re: NL 20

Prvi hand bi vjerojatno callao flop i reevaluirao. Inače, izbriši malo bolje taj HH jer se vidi da očito nije bilo više akcije na turnu/riveru.
Drugi hand bi sigurno donkao i vjerojatno se zastackao. Kada ideš na c/r daješ priliku ribi da savršeno odigra, a svakako želimo i njenu lovu u potu.

Zadnji popravljao AlphaScorpii (06-02-2012 16:49:53)

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Re: NL 20

AlphaScorpii napisao:

Prvi hand bi vjerojatno callao flop i reevaluirao. Inače, izbriši malo bolje taj HH jer se vidi da očito nije bilo više akcije na turnu/riveru.
Drugi hand bi sigurno donkao i vjerojatno se zastackao. Kada ideš na c/r daješ priliku ribi da savršeno odigra, a svakako želimo i njenu lovu u potu.

?? big_smile  ? to vjerojatno ostane tako posto je obrisana akcija poslije flopa

T9o je pokazao

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.15
Big Blind: $0.30

MP ($51.69)
CO ($30.27)
BTN ($10.12)
SB (Hero) ($31.41)
BB ($74.5)
UTG ($30.75)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.45)

UTG & MP & CO & BTN fold, SB (Hero) raises to $0.9, BB calls $0.6

Flop: (Pot is $1.8, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png
SB (Hero) bets $1.35, BB raises to $3.35, SB (Hero) calls $2

Turn: (Pot is $8.5, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png
SB (Hero) checks, BB bets $6, SB (Hero) calls $6

River: (Pot is $20.5, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png
SB (Hero) checks, BB checks

Showdown:
SB (Hero) shows
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png
(One Pair, Nines)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $20.5 | Rake: $1.02

Winners:
SB (Hero) wins $19.48

Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (06-02-2012 16:56:42)

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ivan031 napisao:
AlphaScorpii napisao:

Prvi hand bi vjerojatno callao flop i reevaluirao. Inače, izbriši malo bolje taj HH jer se vidi da očito nije bilo više akcije na turnu/riveru.
Drugi hand bi sigurno donkao i vjerojatno se zastackao. Kada ideš na c/r daješ priliku ribi da savršeno odigra, a svakako želimo i njenu lovu u potu.

?? big_smile  ? to vjerojatno ostane tako posto je obrisana akcija poslije flopa

To je tako jer si ti obrisao akciju poslije flopa, ali nisi obrisao sve... ostao je vidljiv size pota na turnu i riveru.

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Re: NL 20

UTG  22/16/inf  F3 75%
UTG +1 agro fish,gura tako svako malo
SB 25/17/2.8   F3 38%

sta bi ovdje ?riba i SB(malo fishy isto)mogu imat svasta ovdje,FE nemam predpostavljam oupce

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

BB (Hero) ($21.36)
UTG ($17.9)
MP ($5.35)
CO ($23.5)
BTN ($28.9)
SB ($19.8)

Dealt to BB (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG raises to $0.6, MP raises to $5.35 (All-In), CO & BTN fold, SB calls $5.25

Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (14-02-2012 16:43:33)

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Re: NL 20

Fold. Baš zbog toga što nemaš FE i najčešće si flip protiv SB-a. A MP i UTG ti vjerojatno uzimaju outove.

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Re: NL 20

Znaci MP gura dosta wide,SB onda calla vjerojatno sa sta ja znam 77+,AJ+ tako da imas easy ship.Moguce da ce ti i foldat 77-TT,AJ,vjerojatno i AQ na ship tako da imas i FE.

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Re: NL 20

Mislim da SB ne calla s tolko širokim range-om jer ima UTG-a koji može imati jaki hand. Čak je pitanje dal ikad calla s AQ.

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Re: NL 20

igra 20/17/4.1     F3 60% ,   open raise UTG 21%,   c/r turn 10%,  4bet 7%
fold ili shovat ovdje?
4bet mu je dosta mal moguce da je slowplayo overpar,a opet agr mu je velik
pa moze to i s osim s setom i s pokupljenim FD-om radit


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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.15
Big Blind: $0.30

UTG ($31.69)
CO ($39.98)
BTN (Hero) ($47.97)
SB ($40.12)
BB ($30.45)

Dealt to BTN (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.45)

UTG raises to $0.9, CO folds, BTN (Hero) raises to $2.7, SB & BB fold, UTG calls $1.8

Flop: (Pot is $5.85, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png
UTG checks, BTN (Hero) bets $3.15, UTG calls $3.15

Turn: (Pot is $12.15, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png
UTG checks, BTN (Hero) bets $6.8, UTG raises to $13.6

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Re: NL 20

Mislim da jako teško može imat pokupljeni FD tolko da ga možeš i zanemariti, tak da jedino beataš 88-TT, a neznam da bi to baš c/r turn

MAMIĆU CIGANE ODLAZI IZ SVETINJE!!!
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Re: NL 20

takav c/r na turnu u 99% slucajeva znaci nuts ili neki ogromni monster. bar na mikrolimitima.
mislin da tu nisi nikad dobar.
osim ako imas neke noteove na njemu pa znas da tako odigrava neke drawove. a i tad je pitanje koliko si ahead.
mislin da je fold najbolja opcija.

osim ako si na tiltu. onda shove obv wink

"Dikod uđe, dikod ne uđe" - Mate Baturina
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Re: NL 20

Kak bi odigrali ovo protiv rega ,koji rejza cbet 34%,u 3betanim 31%  na velikom sampleu,na ovakvom bordu gdje cu cesto dobit rejz
23/18/2.7,  opena utg 21%,fold to 3bet 54%

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

SB (Hero) ($24.83)
BB ($10.5)
UTG ($17.33)
BTN ($10)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG raises to $0.3, BTN folds, SB (Hero) raises to $1, BB folds, UTG calls $0.7

Flop: (Pot is $2.1, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png
Hero ?

Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (08-03-2012 02:21:54)

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Re: NL 20

za početak nebih vjerojatno 3b preflop pa bi poslije bilo opet vjerojatno lakše

When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
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Re: NL 20

zašto ne 3bet? utg otvara dosta wide s utg-a i ne folda često na 3bet, neki standard je call ali u ovoj situaciji je 3bet dobar.
ako je argument flat calla to da će mu bit jednostavnije igrat postflop u single raised potu onda je to krivo razmišljanje i manje +EV od 3beta u ovom spotu.
ja bi betao flop i callao bi eventualni rejz.

Zadnji popravljao RedDevil_7 (08-03-2012 03:08:20)

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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