226

Re: NL 20

ne znam koliko je to glupo ili ne ali bi mozda tu cak check raisao jer ako on mene raisa
i ja platim na turnu sam izgubljen u dosta slucajeva...

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227

Re: NL 20

cb/f flop nije pogreska sigurno.

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Re: NL 20

11331133 napisao:

cb/f flop nije pogreska sigurno.

ja isto mislim da nije pogreška ali isto tako mislim da kad ga ovaj igrač rejza u ovoj situaciji da nije često ahead i zato nisam za fold.

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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Re: NL 20

RedDevil_7 napisao:

zašto ne 3bet? utg otvara dosta wide s utg-a i ne folda često na 3bet, neki standard je call ali u ovoj situaciji je 3bet dobar.
ako je argument flat calla to da će mu bit jednostavnije igrat postflop u single raised potu onda je to krivo razmišljanje i manje +EV od 3beta u ovom spotu.
ja bi betao flop i callao bi eventualni rejz.

Da, a i da ne govorimo o tome kako je igra trenutno svedena na 4max i da je TT u toj situaciji monster s kojim se preflop treba i zastackati.

S ovako agresivnim igračem, na takav board, ja mislim da bih se zastackao na flopu (on može imat open endera, gutshot, bilo koji flush draw, može imat A high... po meni sasvim dovoljno široko da se ne odreknem tako lako vrijednosti TT handa)

edit: sad tek vidim da u primjeru on nije raisao flop smile
pa definitivno cbetaš ovaj board, ako te raisa, mislim da ćeš teško bacit hand, čak možda možeš i callat da mu ostaviš A high handove u igri i missane drawove...

ako checkiraš, daješ mu priliku za free kartom, c/r na ovaj board mi ipak nema smisla i ne kupi dovoljno valuea...

Zadnji popravljao TVex (08-03-2012 14:17:37)

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Re: NL 20

ja bi b/c pola pota... i na blank turn c/shipam ako on beta...

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Re: NL 20

@ivan
On nije UTG već CO.

@ svi koji vele da se bi zastackali
deep smo 170 bb-a.

On tu calla s jako širokim rangeom jer ste deep. Ako cbetamo, dobijemo rejz i callamo, imat ćemo velikih problema na turnu, ako nam beta. Ne samo zbog veličine beta nego i zbog scare karata kojih je puno.
Ja sam za c/c.

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232

Re: NL 20

lol, opce nisam skuzio da smo toliko deep... ali i dalje mislim da je b/c flop dobar, a onda turn ako nastavi agro foldat jer nece valjda bluffat toliko deep...

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233

Re: NL 20

Zanima me dal bi ovdje pretvorili ruku bluff i shovali na  riveru da folda K.
kad 2-barella i cekira taj river mislim da J nema
ostane mu u rangeu air,99,TT i ono sto me beata Kx kojeg ima dosta u rangeu
na 20-tak handova 14/9/inf  3bet 10%

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

BB ($6.07)
UTG ($10)
MP ($10.75)
CO ($10.27)
BTN (Hero) ($10)
SB ($10)

Dealt to BTN (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & MP & CO fold, BTN (Hero) raises to $0.2, SB raises to $0.7, BB folds, BTN (Hero) calls $0.5

Flop: (Pot is $1.5, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png
SB bets $0.8, BTN (Hero) calls $0.8

Turn: (Pot is $3.1, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png
SB bets $1.8, BTN (Hero) calls $1.8

River: (Pot is $6.7, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png
SB checks

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234

Re: NL 20

^: ma kakvo pretvaranje ruke u blef, levelaš sam sebe. check behind i gg
također, ako ovdje ima Kx, onda je checkirao upravo da tebi da šansu da blefaš i neće ti foldat

Zadnji popravljao dabac (08-03-2012 16:54:40)

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Re: NL 20

nije bilo dugo handova pa da stavim malo,par slicnih situacija  smile

1.plan na flopu?
open rejzer 68/42/2.0,
BTN  28/19/3.5, 
BB 21/20/3

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

SB (Hero) ($20.1)
BB ($23.53)
UTG ($22)
MP ($26.09)
CO ($20.97)
BTN ($20)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG raises to $0.6, MP & CO fold, BTN calls $0.6, SB (Hero) calls $0.5, BB calls $0.4

Flop: (Pot is $2.4, 4 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8D.png





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2.  call ili raise?
21/16/1.5  cbet 50%
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

UTG ($21.04)
MP ($16.54)
CO (Hero) ($24.18)
BTN ($20.16)
SB ($33.28)
BB ($24.89)

Dealt to CO (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG raises to $0.7, MP folds, CO (Hero) calls $0.7, BTN & SB & BB fold

Flop: (Pot is $1.7, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png
UTG bets $1.27

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3.turn play?
prvi  hand za stolom tako da nisam imao statse,ali po nicknameu
UTG-solid REG
BB-isto reg ali loosing



Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

BB ($18.43)
UTG ($20)
CO (Hero) ($20)
BTN ($20.82)
SB ($27.11)

Dealt to CO (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG raises to $0.6, CO (Hero) calls $0.6, BTN & SB fold, BB calls $0.4

Flop: (Pot is $1.9, 3 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png
BB checks, UTG bets $1.42, CO (Hero) calls $1.42, BB calls $1.42

Turn: (Pot is $6.16, 3 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5C.png
BB checks, UTG bets $3.08

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Re: NL 20

prvi hend fold preflop, as played ja bi donkao flop.
drugi hend call flop.
zadnji hend hmmm, ovo mi je čak najteži spot big_smile
neznam mislim da bi ponekad callao i ponekad rejzao.

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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Re: NL 20

RedDevil_7 napisao:

prvi hend fold preflop, as played ja bi donkao flop.
drugi hend call flop.
zadnji hend hmmm, ovo mi je čak najteži spot big_smile
neznam mislim da bi ponekad callao i ponekad rejzao.

inace foldam SC i takve handove iz blindova,al sam ovdje callao jer su obojica lag,i cine se fishy po statsima

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238

Re: NL 20

To što su lag ništa ne znači... Možeš callati ako misliš da će te callati s puno slabijih handova kad pogodiš, tj. ak su calling stationi.

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239

Re: NL 20

1. hand
prvo mislim da nisam trebao 3betati pf  smile ,pa as played kako bi odigrali ovdje na flopu?
dosao je super flop za moj hand al mislim da za njegov jos bolji pa nisam imo pojma
kak odigrat ovo

19/14/2.1
fold to 3bet 67% ,4bet 0

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

BTN ($25.68)
SB ($17.29)
BB (Hero) ($34.65)
UTG ($20.7)
CO ($23.65)

Dealt to BB (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG folds, CO raises to $0.7, BTN & SB fold, BB (Hero) raises to $2.4, CO calls $1.7

Flop: (Pot is $4.9, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png
Hero?

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2. hand
plan mi je bio turn c/f, ali kad je chekirao turn behind
nisam znao na sta da ga stavim osim AK,AT ili neki air
jel bi river b/f, c/c, c/f?

22/15/2.0 fold to 3bet 64%,fold to cbet 55%

Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

CO ($20)
BTN ($7.86)
SB (Hero) ($20)
BB ($20.73)
UTG ($40.13)
MP ($49.68)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG & MP fold, CO raises to $0.57, BTN folds, SB (Hero) raises to $2.04, BB folds, CO calls $1.47

Flop: (Pot is $4.28, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png
SB (Hero) bets $2.2, CO calls $2.2

Turn: (Pot is $8.68, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png
SB (Hero) checks, CO checks

River: (Pot is $8.68, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png
SB (Hero) checks, CO bets $4.2

                                                                     
Total Pot: $12.88 | Rake: $12.88

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Re: NL 20

prvi hend bi betao flop.
drugi hend ako nebi betao turn, bi river kojih 5$

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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241

Re: NL 20

1. hand  bi betao za semi bluff al nesto sitno cca 1/2 pota...
2. hand kao sto sam ti rekao na skypeu, as played b/f river 1/3 pota...

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Re: NL 20

kriss napisao:

1. hand  bi betao za semi bluff al nesto sitno cca 1/2 pota...

Semi bluff, a imaš made hand?? Misliš da će ti baciti K?

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Re: NL 20

1. prvi hand mislim da je bet sulud protiv takvog nita. U igri bi najvjerojatnije check/callao, al ovak mi se cini da je c/f bolji
2. Fold preflop, c/f flop, a ak si doso do rivera opet c/f smile Na riveru te ocito value beta s AK/AQ/AJ

MAMIĆU CIGANE ODLAZI IZ SVETINJE!!!
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244

Re: NL 20

ma imam made hand ali vjerojatno sam behind trenutno pa ne mislim stavljat vise $ unutra osim ako ne hitam nesto jace... al krivo sam se izrazio, ne mislim da ce foldat K...

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245

Re: NL 20

7-karti pastuh napisao:

1. prvi hand mislim da je bet sulud protiv takvog nita. U igri bi najvjerojatnije check/callao, al ovak mi se cini da je c/f bolji
2. Fold preflop, c/f flop, a ak si doso do rivera opet c/f smile Na riveru te ocito value beta s AK/AQ/AJ

sizing mu izgleda ko value ali jel ne beta AQ/AJ i mozda AK na turnu

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Re: NL 20

kriss napisao:

ma imam made hand ali vjerojatno sam behind trenutno pa ne mislim stavljat vise $ unutra osim ako ne hitam nesto jace... al krivo sam se izrazio, ne mislim da ce foldat K...

Pa bolje njemu onda dati priliku da blefa. Isto ćeš potrošiti na check call, samo što je bolja opcija. Ostavljaš mu cijeli range u igri i nemožeš dobiti raise tj. sigurno ćeš vidjeti turn.

ivan031 napisao:
7-karti pastuh napisao:

1. prvi hand mislim da je bet sulud protiv takvog nita. U igri bi najvjerojatnije check/callao, al ovak mi se cini da je c/f bolji
2. Fold preflop, c/f flop, a ak si doso do rivera opet c/f smile Na riveru te ocito value beta s AK/AQ/AJ

sizing mu izgleda ko value ali jel ne beta AQ/AJ i mozda AK na turnu

Zašto? Ima showdown value.
U tom handu na riveru ne beataš ništa što valuebeta, a blefove teško da ima u range-u s obzirom na akciju na flopu i turnu.

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247

Re: NL 20

sb-22/17/3.0  3b  6.7%
utg 77/11/0.8


jel preflop ovo callat?
i turn play?
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Holdem Manager, Pot-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

BB ($20.04)
UTG ($29.21)
CO (Hero) ($20.38)
BTN ($17.95)
SB ($45.21)

Dealt to CO (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG calls $0.2, CO (Hero) raises to $0.6, BTN folds, SB raises to $2.2, BB folds, UTG calls $2, CO (Hero) calls $1.6

Flop: (Pot is $6.8, 3 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png
SB checks, UTG checks, CO (Hero) bets $4, SB folds, UTG calls $4

Turn: (Pot is $14.8, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png
UTG checks ,Hero??

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Re: NL 20

ivan031 napisao:

sb-22/17/3.0  3b  6.7%
utg 77/11/0.8


jel preflop ovo callat?
i turn play?
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Holdem Manager, Pot-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

BB ($20.04)
UTG ($29.21)
CO (Hero) ($20.38)
BTN ($17.95)
SB ($45.21)

Dealt to CO (Hero)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG calls $0.2, CO (Hero) raises to $0.6, BTN folds, SB raises to $2.2, BB folds, UTG calls $2, CO (Hero) calls $1.6

Flop: (Pot is $6.8, 3 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png
SB checks, UTG checks, CO (Hero) bets $4, SB folds, UTG calls $4

Turn: (Pot is $14.8, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png
UTG checks ,Hero??

nisam neki stručnjak za cash ali..
1. zasto preflop raise od 3bb kad imas limpera
2. zasto otvaras flop kad je ovaj preflop 3betao...

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249

Re: NL 20

1. da to je greska ,vjerojatno nisam ni primjetio da je limpo ovaj..trebo sam d0 0.8  wink
2.nakon sto 3beter cekira nema overpar sigurno,a riba moze i ne mora foldat ,a imam ekvitija

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250

Re: NL 20

meni je to fold prf... opce mi se ne svidja taj hand za izoliranje fisha...

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