Tema: Zajeban spot sa PP u 3bet potu

Lik igra 22/18 i 7.8% 3bet. Generalno mi se čini da ok igra, makar nemamo nekakav historya. Ne odustaje lako u 3bet potovima... Napisao sam si da lako calla u 3bet potovima i da ga ne bluffam, već thin vbetam makar za ovaj spot to nije tolko bitno, al opet, očito ne odustaje lako od handa i nije mu bad stavit lovu u pot.
Ne volim igrat baš PP u 3bet potu, al deep smo, IP sam  i njegov size PF je dosta mali.

Ono što mene zbunjuje je da mi flop cbet size i turn cbet size nemaju naš previše smisla...teško mi ga je na neki value hand stavit jer vjerujem da bi ipak jače betao flop pošto smo deep. Ovako na prvu mi se njegov range najviše čini kao nekakav Ac/Kcnešto...
Vaše mišljenje za range i kako bi vi dalje?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $1
Big Blind: $2

UTG ($149.75)
MP ($379.8)
CO ($259.6)
BTN (Alpha Scorpii) ($245.15)
SB ($276.55)
BB ($353.35)

Dealt to BTN (Alpha Scorpii)
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Preflop: (Pot is: $3)

UTG & MP & CO fold, BTN (Alpha Scorpii) raises to $5, SB folds, BB raises to $16, BTN (Alpha Scorpii) calls $11

Flop: (Pot is $31, 2 players)

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BB bets $16, BTN (Alpha Scorpii) calls $16

Turn: (Pot is $62, 2 players)

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BB bets $40, Alpha Scorpii?

Zadnji popravljao AlphaScorpii (11-02-2013 17:32:50)

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Re: Zajeban spot sa PP u 3bet potu

Neznam kak cbeta u 3betanim potovima. Vidio sam likove koji uvijek cbetaju pola pota bez obzira kakav flop je, i onda na turnu ovisno dal je drawy ili nije mjenjaju sizeing.
Al čini mi se da  u prosjeku tu imaju 1/3 jači hand, a 2/3 overkarte + FD, tak da bi callao jos jedan street i odlučio na riveru.

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I ja mislim da bi jače cbetao flop da ima FD ili veliki PP tak da je vrlo lako moguće da je na turnu dobio FD.
Pretpostavljam da call na turnu nije veliki EV- potez(ispravite me ak se varam), ali što ako na riveru dodje A,K,Q , tref...? Puno je karata koje ne želimo vidjeti. Kolika mu je agresija po streetovima? Zajeban spot! smile

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Čudno mi je da sad shipa...mogao je bolje setupat sizinge da ima PSB ili manje na riveru

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $1
Big Blind: $2

UTG ($149.75)
MP ($379.8)
CO ($259.6)
BTN (Alpha Scorpii) ($245.15)
SB ($276.55)
BB ($353.35)

Dealt to BTN (Alpha Scorpii)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $3)

UTG & MP & CO fold, BTN (Alpha Scorpii) raises to $5, SB folds, BB raises to $16, BTN (Alpha Scorpii) calls $11

Flop: (Pot is $33, 2 players)

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BB bets $16, BTN (Alpha Scorpii) calls $16

Turn: (Pot is $65, 2 players)

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BB bets $40, BTN (Alpha Scorpii) calls $40

River: (Pot is $145, 2 players)

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BB bets $281.35 (All-In)

Zadnji popravljao AlphaScorpii (12-02-2013 13:23:49)

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Re: Zajeban spot sa PP u 3bet potu

Ja bi ovo fold,moguće je da blefa ali i ti dosta toga možeš imati ovdje i on to najvjerovatnije zna. Ali ak je jako agro i kako kažeš nije mu problem stavit lovu u pot...  Ne znam,ja bi ipak pričekao neku drugu ruku da se zguramo.

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Re: Zajeban spot sa PP u 3bet potu

Pa ne može imati dosta toga, 55, 77, nekoliko nut flusheva..
Ja bih isto foldao, i nekako ne volim stavljati lovu na turnu sa slabim pocketima jer lako me zblefaju s handa...

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Re: Zajeban spot sa PP u 3bet potu

Može tu i thin valuebetati AQ.

AlphaScorpii napisao:

Napisao sam si da lako calla u 3bet potovima i da ga ne bluffam, već thin vbetam makar za ovaj spot to nije tolko bitno, al opet, očito ne odustaje lako od handa i nije mu bad stavit lovu u pot.

Mislim da ako tak light calla u 3betanim, onda i dosta blefa. Jer zna da često imate obojica slabi hand. Ovo je po meni idealan spot za zblefat s weak para (kojeg najčešće imaš). Pogledao bi mu AFQ na riveru i ak je poveći, bi callao.

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kako je zavrio hand na kraju? fold?

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Re: Zajeban spot sa PP u 3bet potu

Nope, callao sam river. Nisam mislio da ce tolko thin betat Qx, a flush mi nije imao smisla zbog flop bet sizea. Dakle jedino što sam ja vidio da on ovako value beta je 55/7x/QQ, al naletio sam na Kc8c. Ipak očito cbeta 1/2 bez obzira kakav hand ima.
Da je river bio malo veći blank, vj bi fold.

Zadnji popravljao AlphaScorpii (13-02-2013 22:17:58)

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