Tema: NL10 handovi

65 handova 15-13 3bet 8,3
agg 6
eto ako moze neki savjet ili ideja kako ovo bolje odigrati i da li je call na riveru...hvala

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

BTN ($16.14)
SB ($10.65)
BB ($3.39)
UTG ($10.6)
MP (idrga) ($27.31)
CO ($10.36)

Dealt to MP (idrga)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG raises to $0.3, MP (idrga) calls $0.3, CO & BTN fold, SB raises to $1.45, BB calls $1.35, UTG calls $1.15, MP (idrga) calls $1.15

Flop: (Pot is $5.8, 4 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP (idrga) bets $2.1, SB calls $2.1, BB & UTG fold

Turn: (Pot is $10, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png
SB checks, MP (idrga) checks

River: (Pot is $10, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png
SB bets $5.73

                                                                     
Total Pot: $15.73 | Rake: $15.73




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Re: NL10 handovi

i evo drugi hand
imam ga na 6 handova 67-16 igra

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

BTN ($14.67)
SB ($3.37)
BB ($9.16)
UTG (idrga) ($12.22)
MP ($5.56)
CO ($10.09)

Dealt to UTG (idrga)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG (idrga) raises to $0.3, MP & CO & BTN & SB fold, BB calls $0.2

Flop: (Pot is $0.65, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png
BB checks, UTG (idrga) bets $0.4, BB calls $0.4

Turn: (Pot is $1.45, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png
BB checks, UTG (idrga) bets $0.9, BB calls $0.9

River: (Pot is $3.25, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8D.png
BB checks, UTG (idrga) bets $2.3, BB raises to $5

                                                                     
Total Pot: $10.55 | Rake: $10.55




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Re: NL10 handovi

1. dobar bet na f. SB je čudno odigro koji god hand da ima. moguće da bi callo

2. turn bi beto blizu pota, ima hrpa slabijih handova koje fish neće foldat. river bi callo

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Re: NL10 handovi

2. Jace bi betao flop i turn

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1.
nisam u startu siguran da je dobar flop bet.
multiway lako moguce da netko ima bolji hend ali ga se boji betat. mislim da se nebi brinuo da zastitim hend, kad nas je toliko u igri i ima jos 2 streeta iza. ti pf ides na set mining i ako nemas set nemas doslovno nista. da sam ja sb i da imam Qx hend vjerovatno bi pot controlao odmah od flopa.

as played, ne znam da bi callao ovaj river zbog svega sto sam napisao iznad. iako moguce da sb ima hend tipa JTs pa sad nema vise opcija nego betati. ali prije bi rekao da ima Q koji je 3betao i poslje pot controlao. ili cak set, koji je sigurno u sb 3bet rangu.

2.
ribe obicno min rejzaju nutse. tesko bi foldao ovaj min rejz i postoje neki komboi koje bitas (QJ Q8 AJ A8) a nebi se iznenadio da vidim KT QQ 22.

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Re: NL10 handovi

1. hand los bet na flopu, na riveru je prije value bet nego bleff, sta on tu mora imat da ga ti beatas... moguce da ima i JJ..
2. hand jednostavno se moraš natjerat na fold...

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Re: NL10 handovi

mislim da u drugom hendu bas i nemozes tako lako foldati kad pogledas kakve oddse dobivas za call

2.7$ za 10.55$ = 1:3.9

znaci da ti call mora biti dobar jedanput u 5 puta da bi bio breakeven.
sigurno ima hendova koji su losiji od naseg, tako da bi iscallao :-)

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Re: NL10 handovi

1. neznam dal je baš isplativo callati tolko za set. Nisi napisao statse/readove od ostalih. Ja bi to najčešće zgurao preflop.
Ima skoro pola stacka deadmoney-a u potu.

2. I ja bi betao jače flop i turn. River je jako teško foldati, al teško da si dobar.

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Re: NL10 handovi

whitewalk3r napisao:

mislim da u drugom hendu bas i nemozes tako lako foldati kad pogledas kakve oddse dobivas za call

2.7$ za 10.55$ = 1:3.9

znaci da ti call mora biti dobar jedanput u 5 puta da bi bio breakeven.
sigurno ima hendova koji su losiji od naseg, tako da bi iscallao :-)

Trebaš biti dobar oko 20% vremena. Teško je to procjeniti, al svi znamo da ribe rejzaju samo nutish handove, a pogotovo minrejzaju.. Ne vjerujem da on tu rejza tako recimo A2.

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1.hend nikad nebi betao flop,as played ja bi fold..
2.hend bi betao jace i flop i turn i callao river bez puno razmisljanja jer fishu moze bit i A8 nuts hand,cak i ako izbacimo A8 mislim da imamo oddse...
Board: QdAh2sJh8d
    Equity    Win    Tie
MP2    34.29%    34.29%    0.00%    { AdQh }
MP3    65.71%    65.71%    0.00%    { QQ-JJ, 22, AJs, A8s, KTs, AJo, A8o, KTo }

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Re: NL10 handovi

Nek netko tko ima poveću bazu isfiltrira u HEMu river minrejz i pogleda dal fishevi imaju više od 20% hand slabiji od tripsa.

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Re: NL10 handovi

Analizirao sam svoj database jer me baš zanimalo. Nikad ni u ludilu ne bih foldao ovaj hand. Ali kaj je tue je, evo reza:

Imam sveukupno 9 handova ove godine što kvalificiraju: da je fish, da min raiza (2 handa su praktički min raise, ali nisu) i da betam standard oko 3/4 pota.

NIJEDAN hand nije imao manje od tripsa, od svih 9. (cak i HU oba handa koja imam su min. trips)

E sad još kaj sam uspio skužiti je da ako betamo manje, tipa oko 25% pota, (imam 5 handova koje sam scalao kad sam dobio raise) UVIJEK je to bio jaci raise od min raisa, svaki je bio za bluf, 4 pure blufa nakon missed drawa i jedan s drugim parom.


Ovo je jako dobro znati, ako se nekome da neka provjeri na svojim handovima, pa nek posta tu ili mi pošalje na PM ako mu se neda tu postati, stvarno me zanima još infoa na tu foru.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Re: NL10 handovi

Malo sam pogledao i starije handove i samo bih dodao da se ne shvati krivo da imaju i value handove kad malo betamo river i oni rejzaju, najviše trips+, samo jedan overpar koji nije bio 3betan preflop (AA underrepani). Znači na mali bet nisam vidio ni 10% na manjem sampleu da rejzaju top par.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Re: NL10 handovi

Rear_Admiral napisao:

NIJEDAN hand nije imao manje od tripsa, od svih 9. (cak i HU oba handa koja imam su min. trips)
E sad još kaj sam uspio skužiti je da ako betamo manje, tipa oko 25% pota, (imam 5 handova koje sam scalao kad sam dobio raise) UVIJEK je to bio jaci raise od min raisa, svaki je bio za bluf, 4 pure blufa nakon missed drawa i jedan s drugim parom.

jako zanimljivo...probat cu ja isfiltrirat svoje(200k sample hmm) ak uspijem javim..

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hvala svima na komentarima, prvi hand sam foldao a drugi je fish pokazao KT, novi
handovi stizu vjerovatno danas...

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Re: NL10 handovi

lik igra 84-53 na 20 handova pa pretpostavljam da je riba
zanima me sto mislite ovdje o overbetu jer sam pretpostavio
da me Kx placa a i neki jaki draw...imam relativno puno
takvih situacija pa me zanima kako najbolje odigrati ovo?
hvala

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

BTN ($9.04)
SB ($4.23)
BB (Pamael) ($9.85)
UTG ($5.28)
MP ($5.07)
CO ($9.85)

Dealt to BB (Pamael)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & MP & CO fold, BTN raises to $0.25, SB folds, BB (Pamael) raises to $0.8, BTN calls $0.55

Flop: (Pot is $1.65, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png
BB (Pamael) bets $1.5, BTN calls $1.5

Turn: (Pot is $4.65, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png
BB (Pamael) bets $7.55 (All-In), BTN folds

                                                                     
Total Pot: $12.2 | Rake: $0.31

Winners:
BB (Pamael) wins $11.89




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Re: NL10 handovi

On da je imo range na koji si ga stavio platio bi te all in, ali kad si ga vec stavio na ruku slabiju od svoje zasto ga ides tjerat?

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chingling napisao:

On da je imo range na koji si ga stavio platio bi te all in, ali kad si ga vec stavio na ruku slabiju od svoje zasto ga ides tjerat?

ne idem ga tjerati nego zelim naplatiti draawe i zelim se zgurati dok sam jaci posto je riba, da je reg betao bi 3$
ovako kad je riba u pitanju svejedno bi se zgurao na riveru a ima puno karti s kojima se ne zelim bas zgurati (5,8,srca npr)

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Ne čini mi se loše.. takav fish nebu samo platio Kx već će platit razne kombinacije par+SD, FD itd... al ingame bi vj betao oko 3.5..

Zadnji popravljao AlphaScorpii (22-05-2013 12:47:39)

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meni je ovo standard, plaćaju čak i naked FD i neki pocket par, jedino bih malo više preflop i flop, onda će još prije platiti.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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pozz ekipa, evo mene nakon dugo vremena opet na nl10
potrudit cu se staviti sto vise handova i nadam se da ce biti dosta komentara
tek sam poceo na ovoj stranici pa samo znam da lik igra jedan stol

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

CO ($6.33)
BTN ($9.63)
SB ($8.15)
BB ($6.08)
UTG (Skladistar1) ($14.55)
MP ($3.52)

Dealt to UTG (Skladistar1)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG (Skladistar1) raises to $0.3, MP & CO fold, BTN calls $0.3, SB & BB fold

Flop: (Pot is $0.75, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png
UTG (Skladistar1) bets $0.55, BTN raises to $1.3, UTG (Skladistar1) calls $0.75

Turn: (Pot is $3.35, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png
UTG (Skladistar1) checks, BTN bets $2.25, UTG (Skladistar1) calls $2.25

River: (Pot is $7.85, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png
UTG (Skladistar1) checks, BTN bets $3.75

                                                                     
Total Pot: $11.6 | Rake: $11.6




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Fold turn. Na mikrolimitima je ekipa vj pasivna sa drawovima, a ima vj sve kombinacije dvopara, setova itd...

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BTN na 36 handova igra 60-29 pretpostavio sam da je fish ali ne vidim tu call
da li je ovo fold vec na turn raise?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

CO (Skladistar1) ($17.28)
BTN ($32.71)
SB ($7.88)
BB ($11.92)
UTG ($12.65)
MP ($6.49)

Dealt to CO (Skladistar1)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & MP fold, CO (Skladistar1) raises to $0.3, BTN calls $0.3, SB folds, BB calls $0.2

Flop: (Pot is $0.95, 3 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png
BB checks, CO (Skladistar1) bets $0.57, BTN calls $0.57, BB folds

Turn: (Pot is $2.09, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8D.png
CO (Skladistar1) bets $0.9, BTN raises to $2, CO (Skladistar1) calls $1.1

River: (Pot is $6.09, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8D.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png
CO (Skladistar1) checks, BTN bets $6

                                                                     
Total Pot: $12.09 | Rake: $12.09




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Ja bi odigrao isto i foldao river.

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Standard.
Iako možda izgleda da je na turnu jači, nekad će se pojaviti s slabijim handom, a mali je rejz pa se isplati i čekati T ili da se board spari ili pak se nadati da će čekirati river.
River je easy fold.

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