Tema: Project - od ribe do rega

Otvorio sam ovaj topic kako bih imao jedno mjesto u kojem ću skupljati savjete,prijedologe i kritike vezane uz moju igru.

Banka je 255$ i nalazi se na  FT-u. Počinjem s 5NLH 6-max na 4-6 stolova.  Tu i tamo ću nabaciti i neki turnirčić s BI do 3$.

Bankroll managment mi je 30 BI up - 25 BI down (prestrogo?).

Cilj - vidjeti da li se može što zaraditi od pokera tj.da li je to za mene ili nije   roll

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Iz mog osobnog iskustva mogu ti samo reći da te čeka pakao smile
javi kak napredujes.

Sretno!

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igraj nl10...

sretno...

fish call...
http://pokerija.blogspot.com/
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Ako je totalni početnik bolje da krene sa NL5... za nl10 ima 25 BI sto je solidno, ali lako se istopi kod početnika. Odigraj pristojan sample tek toliko da dobiješ osjećaj za igru...a onda Move UP  smile

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brijem da i ma i boljih stranica za nl5, nekih slabijih, znaju bit stvarno rudnik para, tipa noiq, al čim pređeš na malo veči limit sve puno facking nitova, zato sam ja poslije i otišao.

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Ovaj hand ću si tu postati samo da me podsjeća kako  se i meni nekada događa da s 3% šanse dobijem hand.

Znam da je odigrano katastrofa. hmm  Ponekad mi je ruka brža od mozga. U svakom slučaju sram me bilo.

Inače što se tiče projekta.. Trenutno sam na 275$ na 1700 ruku (od toga 500 na NL2).. hmm

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.05

CO ($2.73)
BTN ($8.91)
SB ($4.95)
BB ($4.81)
UTG ($5.51)
MP (Hero) ($7.12)

Dealt to MP (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.07)

UTG folds, MP (Hero) raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, SB & BB fold

Flop: (Pot is $0.52, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4H.png
MP (Hero) bets $0.52, CO calls $0.52, BTN calls $0.52

Turn: (Pot is $2.08, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4H.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png
MP (Hero) bets $6.45 (All-In), CO calls $2.06 (All-In), BTN calls $6.45

River: (Pot is $17.04, 3 players, 2 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png

Showdown:
CO shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png
(Full House, Fours over Aces)

BTN shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png
(Straight, Ace high)

MP (Hero) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png
(Full House, Aces over Kings)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $17.04 | Rake: $1.13

Winners:
MP (Hero) wins $15.91

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#1

Je li ovo dugoročno isplativo callati ili me njihov range crusha prečesto (pod pp. da se on sastjo od tt+,ak,aq)?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.05

UTG ($6.14)
MP ($4.93)
CO ($5.25)
BTN ($4.43)
SB (Hero) ($9.77)
BB ($4.03)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.07)

UTG folds, MP raises to $0.17, CO folds, BTN calls $0.17, SB (Hero) raises to $0.6, BB folds, MP raises to $4.93 (All-In), BTN calls $4.26 (All-In), SB (Hero) calls $4.33

Flop: (Pot is $14.34, 3 players, 2 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png

Turn: (Pot is $14.34, 3 players, 2 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png

River: (Pot is $14.34, 3 players, 2 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png

Showdown:
MP shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png
(Two Pair, Aces and Kings)

BTN shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png
(One Pair, Eights)

SB (Hero) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png
(One Pair, Queens)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $14.34 | Rake: $0.95

Winners:
MP wins $13.39

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#2

Njegovi statsi 87/25/2 3b 17% na 95 handova. To je standard?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.05

CO ($5.06)
BTN ($5.6)
SB (Hero) ($4.4)
BB ($9.24)
UTG ($7.88)
MP ($6.11)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.07)

UTG & MP & CO & BTN fold, SB (Hero) raises to $0.15, BB raises to $0.45, SB (Hero) raises to $1.3, BB raises to $9.24 (All-In), SB (Hero) calls $3.1 (All-In)

Flop: (Pot is $13.64, 2 players, 2 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png

Turn: (Pot is $13.64, 2 players, 2 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png

River: (Pot is $13.64, 2 players, 2 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png

Showdown:
SB (Hero) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png
(High Cards, Ace King high)

BB shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7S.png
(One Pair, Sevens)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $13.64 | Rake: $0.58

Winners:
BB wins $13.06

Zadnji popravljao andjinsan (01-06-2010 21:48:35)

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#3

Znam da sam trebao napraviti gurnuti na flopu. Kad već nisam, jesam trebao samo callati turn?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.05

BB ($5.07)
UTG ($11.73)
MP ($9.21)
CO ($5)
BTN (Hero) ($5.1)
SB ($5)

Dealt to BTN (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.07)

UTG calls $0.05, MP folds, CO raises to $0.22, BTN (Hero) calls $0.22, SB & BB fold, UTG calls $0.17

Flop: (Pot is $0.73, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png
UTG bets $0.2, CO raises to $0.6, BTN (Hero) calls $0.6, UTG calls $0.4

Turn: (Pot is $2.53, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png
UTG checks, CO bets $1, BTN (Hero) raises to $4.28 (All-In), UTG folds, CO calls $3.18 (All-In)

River: (Pot is $10.99, 2 players, 2 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png

Showdown:
CO shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png
(Straight, King high)

BTN (Hero) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png
(Three of a Kind, Tens)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $10.99 | Rake: $0.72

Winners:
CO wins $10.17
BTN (Hero) wins $0.1

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Re: Project - od ribe do rega

1) easy fold protiv dvojice
2. standard
3) rejz flop, ako nisi turn je dobro odigran

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Tilt napisao:

1) easy fold protiv dvojice

Bilo bi dobro znati statse od ovoga što je shovao.



    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     33.541%      32.11%     01.43%          919026432      40956744.00   { QQ }
Hand 1:     49.364%      47.93%     01.43%         1371913560      40956744.00   { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 2:     17.095%      16.97%     00.13%          485593848       3687024.00   { JJ-TT }


Prema ovome je snapcall.

Zadnji popravljao Boby (01-06-2010 22:06:21)

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zasto drugom stavljas samo JJ,TT?

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Tilt napisao:

zasto drugom stavljas samo JJ,TT?

Opet statsi fale al za random fishy bi ovo bilo logički. Ako i ubacim manje parove ne mjenja ništa, a ako dodam još AK i QQ onda QQ ima još veći equity.

A mislim da gotovo nikad neće pre flatati AA i KK, a veoma rijetko AK i QQ.

Zadnji popravljao Boby (01-06-2010 22:14:12)

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MP (AK) statsi 17/8/2 3bet 0% na 156 ruku..
BTN (88) statsi 41/13/4 3bet 9% na  77 ruku.

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#4

Može li se više izvući ovdje? Njegovi statsi 7/3/3 3bet 0% na 31 ruku.  Kod folda na turnu je 5-6x puta napisao donk donk luck.. Možda je imao AA ili QQ..

Hvala na prethodnim komentarima.

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.05

SB ($10.52)
BB ($2.9)
UTG ($7.75)
MP (Hero) ($5.43)
CO ($4.36)
BTN ($4)

Dealt to MP (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.07)

UTG raises to $0.15, MP (Hero) calls $0.15, CO calls $0.15, BTN & SB & BB fold

Flop: (Pot is $0.52, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png
UTG bets $0.25, MP (Hero) calls $0.25, CO folds

Turn: (Pot is $1.02, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png
UTG bets $0.6, MP (Hero) calls $0.6

River: (Pot is $2.22, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png
UTG bets $1.1, MP (Hero) raises to $4.43 (All-In), UTG folds

                                                                     
Total Pot: $7.75 | Rake: $0.29

Winners:
MP (Hero) wins $7.46

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zašto ne raise flop??

assumption is the mother of all f ups

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Fold pre
rejz flop
ship river

tako nekako

I can't win if I fold?
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wildgh napisao:

zašto ne raise flop??

Razmišljao sam da pošto rejza utg sa statsima 7/3/3 lakobi mogao dobiti natrag 4bet (kojeg je onda teško callat jer sam često dominiran s ak,aq..) ili shove što moram baciti (ili ne?) S callom mu ne odajem ništa o mom handu a imam i poziciju..

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hEadAche napisao:

Fold pre

Na koji range stavljaš MP? (17/8)

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dobiješ 4bet i onda si dominiran?? na shove moraš baciti???
s ovakvim monsterom imaš milijardu outova i bez milisekunde razmišljanja ovo moraš zgurat ili callat shove na flopu
s callom ti je pot super mali i ako uhvatiš nešto od ovih silnih outova nećeš biti isplaćen

assumption is the mother of all f ups

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kakav je sample 31 hand? malo se svi previše oslanjaju na te statse...

assumption is the mother of all f ups

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Boby napisao:
hEadAche napisao:

Fold pre

Na koji range stavljaš MP? (17/8)

mp? Utg je rejzo, igra 7/3, tako da ovdje KQ nikako ne stoji vs tog rangea, previše puta ćemo biti dominirani, a još vise puta ćemo biti crushani.. Dobili smo dream flop  i to je raise/get it in spot jer će nam se equity prepoloviti na turnu i morat ćemo foldat..
Op, šta bi napravio na blank riveru?

I can't win if I fold?
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hEadAche napisao:
Boby napisao:
hEadAche napisao:

Fold pre

Na koji range stavljaš MP? (17/8)

mp? Utg je rejzo, igra 7/3, tako da ovdje KQ nikako ne stoji vs tog rangea, previše puta ćemo biti dominirani, a još vise puta ćemo biti crushani.. Dobili smo dream flop  i to je raise/get it in spot jer će nam se equity prepoloviti na turnu i morat ćemo foldat..
Op, šta bi napravio na blank riveru?


Zabuna.

Mislio sam da govoriš za QQ hand gdje je MP 4bet shovao na squeeze.

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call ajde ak je neki tag ali taj nit ima 95% pockete i možda AK (u slučaju da mu se statsi ne promijene naglo), zato bi ja da se odlučim igrat QKs prije 3betao nego callao jer će ili foldat ili 4betat (KK,AA), vjerjatno callat TT,JJ ako je fiš, a QQ ili calat ili 4etat, ali ako calla onda imaš poziciju, i uzmimo da je callao onda imaš laki shove, fd + vjerojatno 1 over (K) i s obzirom na njegovu akciju ko ovdije ako mini bet il chekira imaš i fold equty s obzirom da je nit kakve ja oobno nemogu smislit

postflop si odigrao pre očito, a sumnjam da ima set kad je na turnu ponovio mali bet osim ako je glup, tak da mislim da si malo manje betao možda bi platio

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cgreen napisao:

call ajde ak je neki tag ali taj nit ima 95% pockete i možda AK (u slučaju da mu se statsi ne promijene naglo), zato bi ja da se odlučim igrat QKs prije 3betao nego callao jer će ili foldat ili 4betat (KK,AA)

3bet pre je spew u svakom slučaju.

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