Re: Project - From NL25 to NL100

Ima ili 7x ili nista. Call.

Postoji naravno mogucnost da to radi s A high, ali neznam cemu posto ima showdown value i poziciju.

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Težak hand i mislim da dosta ovisi o dinamici na stolu i vašem history-u... Pitanje je kak te tu on vidi. Dal te vidi ko igrača koji će foldati J ili ko igrača koji ne folda baš često.

Največi problem je što je river karta došla takva da ti sjebe kicker pa su sad svi jackovi isti. Ako je thinking player ovdje ti neće nikad nastaviti blef na riveru.

Ako je spewer onda će uvijek nastaviti blef pošto je došla "scare karta" koja u ovom slučaju to nije.

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odlicna analiza roba... ja sam imao nesto jednostavniji pristup problemu big_smile  inace pokazao je KQo

- mislim da nema neke posebne dinamike jer sam i ja bio dosta agro i nismo do sada imali neke potove... bar ga ja nisam zamijetio bas...

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Re: Project - From NL25 to NL100

Največi problem je što je river karta došla takva da ti sjebe kicker pa su sad svi jackovi isti. Ako je thinking player ovdje ti neće nikad nastaviti blef na riveru.

Tako je. Raise na dry boardu je u najboljem slucaju random 7 ili J, a najcesce je nista. Njegov turn bet nece isfoldati apsolutno niti jedan J ili overpair iz tvog rangea, mozda cak nece ni isfoldati hand poput 99 ili TT kao perceived 2nd pair. A na riveru je los scare card za njega i  zapravo jako dobar za tvoj range jer je esencijalni blank.

Osobno, callao bih ga i sa 88+

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Evo jednog zanimljivog handa od danas... obojica smo skoro  350BB deep. Lik je dosta agresivan i srecom da sam vidio da smo tak deep da callam prflop... Btn je inace nit i da je  4betao lagani fold... postflop sam se samo bojao KK ali posto je to uzasno mali dio rangea nek sve nosi ako ih ima...  naravno ima puno vise comboa AK i AA  s kojima to radi pa eto  smile  NH sir i lijep pot za NL25

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.25

BTN ($24.97)
SB ($84.89)
BB (Hero) ($86.16)

Dealt to BB (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.35)

BTN raises to $0.75, SB raises to $2.5, BB (Hero) calls $2.25, BTN folds

Flop: (Pot is $5.75, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8D.png
SB bets $4, BB (Hero) calls $4

Turn: (Pot is $13.75, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8D.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png
SB bets $10, BB (Hero) raises to $28.25, SB raises to $78.39 (All-In), BB (Hero) calls $50.14

River: (Pot is $170.53, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png

Showdown:
SB shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png
(One Pair, Aces)

BB (Hero) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png
(Three of a Kind, Threes)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $170.53 | Rake: $1

Winners:
BB (Hero) wins $169.53

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Re: Project - From NL25 to NL100

Bogme je dobar za nl 25  big_smile

Nice

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ovaj je  dobar  i za  nl 50 smile

bio je  flip, il cu dobit  il cu izgubit -vis  da  je  50-50
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NL 50 FAIL  neutral

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8508/nl50fail.png

dakle nista od shotanja na NL50... igrao sam NL50 na Tiltu i drzao sam se solidno prvih 2k ruku. Onda me sjebalo par coolera + ja sjebem jedan stack sa KQs preflop protiv 3beting masine koji mi pokaze AKo... nisam siguran da je bio bas najbolji play...
Kasnije se opet vratio pa sjebao 150BB stack KK vs AA - jos mu prije shovanja napisem da ima AA u chat... bio sam skoro BE pa me ovo malo sjebalo...(a sjebalo je i moje slusalice koje su odletile u kurac  mad - stvarno moram poraditi na tilt kontroli kada gubim) Kasnije  izgubm jos QQ vs KK preflop i eto -200$. Uglavnom cilj je ostvaren i 200$ cemo rebuildati tijekom ovih par dana tako da krecemo ponovo  big_smile  Cak razmisljam da spojim cijeli BR tako da bude i lakse. Zamijetio sam da se igra dosta agresivnije i 3beta se dosta. Ima villiana koji su i preagresivni tako da se da i s njima igrati posto rade blefove kakvih nema. Vise se ch/rejza i vise je fancy playeva ali moze se... dakle cujemo se za par dana kada rebuildam posto se zelim drzat BRM-a  smile

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1. hand... 3 bet pot.. lik igra 42/22, 3bet 15%, AF:5.5... pustao sam mu da sam beta flop, mozda sam mogao i shove napravit na flopu al neka...

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

UTG ($33)
MP ($57.9)
CO (Hero) ($136.05)
BTN ($54.55)
SB ($48.6)
BB ($50)

Dealt to CO (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG & MP fold, CO (Hero) raises to $1.5, BTN raises to $5.25, SB & BB fold, CO (Hero) raises to $15.75, BTN calls $10.5

Flop: (Pot is $32.25, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png
CO (Hero) checks, BTN bets $18, CO (Hero) calls $18

Turn: (Pot is $68.25, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png
CO (Hero) checks, BTN bets $20.8 (All-In), CO (Hero) calls $20.8

River: (Pot is $109.85, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png

Showdown:
CO (Hero) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png
(Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)

BTN shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png
(Full House, Jacks over Sevens)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $109.85 | Rake: $3

Winners:
BTN wins $106.85




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2. hand. Prva ruka sa villianom... mozda imam 20 handova al ima ok statse... nista osim 88 ili A8s ne predstavlja na turnu, znao sam da blefa jako veliki postotak tak da mu nisam shovao (jao sto vole ove dry bordove)... river se sam objesio... mislim da sam ok odigrao... eto nema bas zanimljivih handova previse

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

BTN ($58.45)
SB (Hero) ($49.5)
BB ($50)
UTG ($66.35)
MP ($51)
CO ($135.1)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3S.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG & MP & CO & BTN fold, SB (Hero) raises to $1.5, BB calls $1

Flop: (Pot is $3, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png
SB (Hero) bets $2.25, BB calls $2.25

Turn: (Pot is $7.5, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png
SB (Hero) bets $5.25, BB raises to $14, SB (Hero) calls $8.75

River: (Pot is $35.5, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png
SB (Hero) checks, BB bets $32.25 (All-In), SB (Hero) calls $31.75 (All-In)

Showdown:
SB (Hero) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3S.png
(Two Pair, Aces and Threes)

BB shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png
(High Cards, Ace King high)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $99.5 | Rake: $3

Winners:
SB (Hero) wins $96
BB wins $0.5

Zadnji popravljao Bebach (10-09-2010 09:46:40)

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roba59 napisao:

Težak hand i mislim da dosta ovisi o dinamici na stolu i vašem history-u... Pitanje je kak te tu on vidi. Dal te vidi ko igrača koji će foldati J ili ko igrača koji ne folda baš često.

Največi problem je što je river karta došla takva da ti sjebe kicker pa su sad svi jackovi isti. Ako je thinking player ovdje ti neće nikad nastaviti blef na riveru.

Ako je spewer onda će uvijek nastaviti blef pošto je došla "scare karta" koja u ovom slučaju to nije.

Malo sam out of date, ali me stvarno zanima zasto A na riveru nije scare card za nas u ovom slučaju? Ne pogađa ništa u našem percived rangeu osim AJ, a pogađa dobar dio njegovog A high zraka koji na riveru to više nije. Prema tome na riveru može value shovat 7x i slowplayan AA, i thin value shovat Ax - osobno bi me bilo sram blefirat s A high i onda cekirat na SD i ne dobit value od Jx.

MAMIĆU CIGANE ODLAZI IZ SVETINJE!!!
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7-karti pastuh napisao:

Malo sam out of date, ali me stvarno zanima zasto A na riveru nije scare card za nas u ovom slučaju?

Zato jer će superrijetko blefirat 3 streeta s A high. Na flopu će skoro u 100% slučajeva callat naš bet.

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