Tema: NL25 river call or fold?

Igrač je 31/26 u 196 rukica pa ga nisam mogao ni stavit u neki range ali sam sve jedno usporio na turnu da mu dam priliku da udari još koji put ali river bet mu je bio dosta velik pa gledam dali se to čak može mirno i bacit? Ja sam platio samo jer je podosta bio balav.

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Full Tilt Poker, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.25

SB ($25)
BB (Brain Sweeper) ($80.86)
UTG ($45.8)
BTN ($23.4)

Dealt to BB (Brain Sweeper)
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Preflop: (Pot is: $0.35)

UTG raises to $0.85, BTN & SB fold, BB (Brain Sweeper) calls $0.6

Flop: (Pot is $1.8, 2 players)

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BB (Brain Sweeper) checks, UTG bets $1.5, BB (Brain Sweeper) raises to $4.7, UTG calls $3.2

Turn: (Pot is $11.2, 2 players)

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BB (Brain Sweeper) checks, UTG bets $7, BB (Brain Sweeper) calls $7

River: (Pot is $25.2, 2 players)

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BB (Brain Sweeper) checks, UTG bets $20

                                                                     
Total Pot: $45.2 | Rake: $45.2

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bet turn call river

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zas si chekiro turn? moras betat turn da naplatis FD, pair + gutshot type handove. ja bi beto turn i beto river

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Tilt napisao:

bet turn call river

+1

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Re: NL25 river call or fold?

Ako ima KJhh, pitanje dal bi samo callao flop, znači par kombinacija KJ i AA (on tu nema QQ,TT).

Ja bi shipao, nece ti foldati na jos par dolara.

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Re: NL25 river call or fold?

Inače bi i rado bi se zastackao ali sam ga pustio da udari i htio sam ga Rerejzat ali sam se predomislio i odlučio call down neznam ni sam zašto. U biti mislim da je veličina mog i njegovog staka djelovala na mene i to pogotovo kad je A sletio pa sam odabrao call down...
p.s. U toj partiji sam pokazao dosta monstera i pogotovo kad je udario dosta sigurno a ja sam i to platio zato se na riveru nisam htio zastacat.

Obično idem linijom bet turn pa na rerejz all in dali se i tu može bacit set? Ja bez razmišljanja to šipam.

Dali veličina naših stakova ima veču ulogu kad imamo mali set protiv labavog igrača?  Ili ova linija kao što tilt kaže.

Zadnji popravljao Dirk_Diger (22-02-2011 22:56:23)

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Re: NL25 river call or fold?

Ja bi ovo 3betao preflop. 4 handed se igra i taj igrač je na cut offu. Ako ima tako širok range, rijetko ćeš naplatiti set.
Obavezno bet turn. As played, call river.

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jako los line imas.

river moras callat obv. Po svemu sudeci beata te samo jedan hand..

imaj cvijetak u reveru, a u ruci bombonjeru...
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Evo još jedna ruka dali je ovo ok odigrano ili se može i drukčije odigrat?
1 vilan 19/17 drugi 42/30 oboje 300 ruku

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Full Tilt Poker, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.25

CO (Brain Sweeper) ($85.11)
BTN ($25)
SB ($37.26)
BB ($39.03)
UTG ($32.52)

Dealt to CO (Brain Sweeper)
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Preflop: (Pot is: $0.35)

UTG folds, CO (Brain Sweeper) raises to $0.85, BTN folds, SB raises to $2.5, BB calls $2.25, CO (Brain Sweeper) calls $1.65

Flop: (Pot is $7.5, 3 players)

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SB bets $5, BB calls $5, CO (Brain Sweeper) raises to $20.6, SB calls $15.6, BB raises to $36.53 (All-In), CO (Brain Sweeper) raises to $82.61 (All-In), SB calls $14.16 (All-In)

Turn: (Pot is $161.4, 3 players, 3 all-in)


River: (Pot is $161.4, 3 players, 3 all-in)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $161.4 | Rake: $161.4

Zadnji popravljao Dirk_Diger (23-02-2011 19:15:01)

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drugi hand: ovaj preflop call njegovog 3beta mi je upitan, stackovi nisu dovoljno veliki za setmining...

as played, flop je standard

Zadnji popravljao Svizac (24-02-2011 00:59:23)

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kak nisu dovoljno veliki u 3way potu i sva trojica imaju 150+ blindova

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Brky napisao:

kak nisu dovoljno veliki u 3way potu i sva trojica imaju 150+ blindova

This thumb rule takes account of the stack size:
"If you can win more than 20 times the current bet, call."

Bet je 2.5 (10x bb)  dakle trebao bi jedan od njih imat 50 dolara stack (200xbb) da se call isplati.

Zadnji popravljao Svizac (24-02-2011 01:20:43)

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current bet je: CO (Brain Sweeper) calls $1.65

Ne ukupan iznos, već iznos kojeg mora callati.

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Svizac napisao:
Brky napisao:

kak nisu dovoljno veliki u 3way potu i sva trojica imaju 150+ blindova

This thumb rule takes account of the stack size:
"If you can win more than 20 times the current bet, call."

Bet je 2.5 (10x bb)  dakle trebao bi jedan od njih imat 50 dolara stack (200xbb) da se call isplati.

ne gleda  se  tak nego koliko jos  treba  nadoplatit a  to je 1,65$  i nije 20 nego otprilike 15puta ono sto se  treba platit
svizac  neznam od kud  si iscupo ovo , ali ovo ne da nisu dobri oddsi za setmining nego su predobri
sve  je  dobro odigrano

dok ja  napisem ,roba me  prestigo  tongue

Zadnji popravljao puki86 (24-02-2011 01:35:22)

bio je  flip, il cu dobit  il cu izgubit -vis  da  je  50-50
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dvojica su već unutra s 150 bb....superstandard call...
i vjerojatno riged flop

When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
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std fold

Pocetnici cesto overplejaju visoke parove preflop
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Mislim da nije potrebno tolko jako raisat flop. Ali ima mjesta za fold, rijetko kad smo ovdje dobri. Odnsosno prerijetko da bi se isplatio call.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Rear_Admiral napisao:

Mislim da nije potrebno tolko jako raisat flop. Ali ima mjesta za fold, rijetko kad smo ovdje dobri. Odnsosno prerijetko da bi se isplatio call.

na  koju foru bi ovo ikada  mogao foldat,svima  je jasno da  je  on ovaj hand  izgubio jer  nebi bio tu da  nije ali setminat pogodit set  u 3b potu i onda  foldat  pa to je  katastrofa

bio je  flip, il cu dobit  il cu izgubit -vis  da  je  50-50
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prflop standard,  na flopu ovo nebi foldao... riba ima dosta sirok range, a na nl25 prosjecan reg ovdje ne folda JJ+ so easy call, ship, snap sve  big_smile  Mozda bih flop i samo callao da iz ribe pokusam izvuc jos koji $ posto je dosta dry flop i nebi ocekivao puno akcije na rejz. As played easy game (samo TT te beata pa ak je imalo pametan reg - (koliko sam skuzio to je SB) on ovdje vecinom flata prflop sa tim handom kak bi i ribu ubacio u pot... a vjerojatno i ne igras superloose da te 3betao za value sa tim handom...

Zadnji popravljao Bebach (24-02-2011 13:21:42)

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Uvijek mi je bilo pitanje po glavi zašto ljudi postavljaju pitanje a imaju set kad je to u večini slučajeva šipanje bez previše razmišljanja.
ali...
U prvoj ruci sam se jedino bojao AA i KJ a u drugoj TT, 66 i neki overpar od regulara i u oba slučaja sam bio uvjeren da sam dominiran.
Dali ima mjesta u sličnim rukama di na flopu nema boje i skale foldat mali set 222-555 pogotovo kad imamo deepstack?

fala ljudovi na dosadašnje komentare.

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pa uglavnom nema. Mislim da san procita negdi da cemo jednom od 100 puta imat underset.

imaj cvijetak u reveru, a u ruci bombonjeru...
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BBov range je TT, 66, JJ s tim što je napravio. SBov range je po meni TT, QQ+. BB nije takva riba da bi gurao AT tu, barem ovako po statsima, a drawowa nema.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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roba59 napisao:

current bet je: CO (Brain Sweeper) calls $1.65

Ne ukupan iznos, već iznos kojeg mora callati.

moj bed krivo sam skužio pravilo hmm

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