Tema: 6max handovi, Rear

20/13 3bet 3.1
cbet u normalnima 38% (premalo cbeta u 3betanima kad je uber tajt)
Zanima me da li bi betali river i koliko ili možda ne bi.
Ja sam razmišljao da betam ako me promaši ili obv dođe flush i da mu je range QQ+ i AK(turn) više QQ, manje AA i da je nit koji ne zna igrati i boji se trisa.

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

BB ($48.56)
UTG ($145.95)
MP ($50)
CO (RearAdmiral88) ($88.15)
BTN ($50)
SB ($163.6)

Dealt to CO (RearAdmiral88)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG & MP fold, CO (RearAdmiral88) raises to $1.5, BTN & SB fold, BB raises to $4.75, CO (RearAdmiral88) calls $3.25

Flop: (Pot is $9.75, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png
BB checks, CO (RearAdmiral88) checks

Turn: (Pot is $9.75, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png
BB checks, CO (RearAdmiral88) bets $6.37, BB calls $6.37

River: (Pot is $22.49, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png
BB checks

                                                                     
Total Pot: $22.49 | Rake: $22.49




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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

148 handova
46/39 AF 11
steal 70%
fold to 3bet 50%
dosta manijakalno izgledao, ali loše manijakalno. imao sam feeling ko da ima air, da bi parove odigrao drugačije.
Da li vam je call tu loš?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

CO ($65.73)
BTN ($59.74)
SB ($49.5)
BB (RearAdmiral88) ($97.75)
UTG ($51.59)
MP ($50)

Dealt to BB (RearAdmiral88)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5C.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG & MP & CO fold, BTN raises to $2, SB folds, BB (RearAdmiral88) raises to $5.62, BTN calls $3.62

Flop: (Pot is $11.49, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png
BB (RearAdmiral88) bets $7.66, BTN raises to $54.12 (All-In)

Turn: (Pot is $73.27, 2 players, 1 all-in)


River: (Pot is $73.27, 2 players, 1 all-in)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $73.27 | Rake: $73.27




Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

wtf 1. hand

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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

prva ruka je cudno odigrana...ali ipak bi betao 3/4 pota...ne bih rekao da ima QQ...
sto se tice druge....kakav call? ni u kom slucaju....tu on ima u najblazem slucaju par...tipa sedmice, osmice...a u gorem slucaju  ga je pogodio full...misli da ti imas jaci over pair pa ti gura u nadi da ga isplatis...
to je moje misljenje...ne mora biti tocno :-P

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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

1.
check turn, bet river. Ak misliš da je neki freak koji se boji svega, betaj manje (oko pola pota) i foldaj na rejz. Inače oko 3/4.

2.
fold ko kuća. Any pair dolazi u obzir, AQ, AJ. Protiv FD-a si flip, a često će imati A high FD jači od tebe.

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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

1.bet
2.fold

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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

Mirari napisao:

1.bet
2.fold

+1

"Dikod uđe, dikod ne uđe" - Mate Baturina
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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

rear se  napio i sprda  nas, kakav je  ovo drugi hand  lol   wink

bio je  flip, il cu dobit  il cu izgubit -vis  da  je  50-50
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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

puki86 napisao:

rear se  napio i sprda  nas, kakav je  ovo drugi hand  lol   wink

plus jedan  big_smile

ja bi flop gurnia pa neka svih 11 calla
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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

roba59 napisao:

1.
check turn, bet river. Ak misliš da je neki freak koji se boji svega, betaj manje (oko pola pota) i foldaj na rejz. Inače oko 3/4.

Bet na turnu nije los. Povecao nam se equity, dobro je betati osim ako imas readove koji govore drukcije. Ja bih u tom spotu radije stvorio inicijativu za river. Ako hitam big, imam veci pot a ne folda mi nista sto je callalo turn. Ako missam easy check behind na riveru i no big deal.

I btw koji kurac uostalom, 4bet preflop i get it in!

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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

zast bi 4beto, ima poziciju?

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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

1.hand - nije nužan 4bet, ja turn betam uvijek, value bet, fold na shove!
2.hand - kriza  tongue

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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

E ovako, očito sam zeznuo prvo hand u analizi handa kad sam igrao, ali me softwer malo zeza i kad pritisnem time bank mi ne vrti dalje stolove nego trebam odigrat taj stol kako bi na drugima akcija dalje tekla normalno. (Tako da ako netko ima info za to na nordici, slobodno nek kaže)

E sad, prvi hand sam check back jer sam razmišljao da on tu češće dolazi do rivera s QQ nego s KK i AA jer takav nit se bolji betati s QQ flop puno više nego s KK i AA, s AA češće beta flop kao i s KK. Ali nisam uzeo u obzir da AA i KK ako ima na riveru skoro uvijek ček calla, a da QQ nekad i donka.
Bez nekog reada nema šanse da bih 4betao jer nemam neki agro image. E sad da li je bolji bet turn ili ne, ne mogu se odlučiti, mislim da nije neka razlika.

Što se drugog handa tiče, callao sam. Ne znam da li sam imao neki dodatan read u igri, ali stvarno mi je taj AI izgledao ko bullshit i mislio sam da fakat tu ne može biti jak dovoljno puta, jer nije pokazivao da je agro reg nego samo random agro igrač koji ne zna za thin value pa da bi radio ovo s parovima ili nečim.
Prvi hand je imao QQ, drugi je imao 78o.
U drugom handu još nisam uvjeren da sam napravio grešku, ne znam big_smile nije da radim ovakve calove.

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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

Tilt napisao:

zast bi 4beto, ima poziciju?

Zato jer je ovo NL50 i jer je AK hand s kojim se ide allin preflop 100bb deep.

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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

Ne znam ja sam poceo flatat 3bet IP sa svime ukljucujuci AA,KK,AK,QQ sve pizdarije ako mislim da villian nece 5bet shoveat light.. Naravno podrazumjeva se da imas neki history s villianom i da znas otprilike kako igra u 3betanim potovima. Ako on ima AK ti imas poziciju i mozes ga otjerat sa splita, ako hittas A on cesto ima AXs s kojim 3beta za blef i nece foldat, ako hittas TPTK on ce cesto barellat A i K high boardove jer su oni super za njegov range.. Ugl serem bezveze al primjetio sam da se isplati flatat IP s monsterima

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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

Kopiram dio gmikovog posta o 3betanju:
Dobijemo 3bet a IP smo. Kao prvo, budeti svjesni blindova. Ako vas netko puno 3beta, smanjite pf rejz na buttonu sa 3 na 2.5 ili čak 2bb. 4betat AK IP nema smisla. Profitabilno je, da, protiv odredjenog rangea, ali protiv istog rangea flat call je JOŠ profitabilniji.

Ne radimo betove jer je to standard, već zato jer su najviše +EV. Da, protiv protivnika koji 5bet blefa je dobro 4betat, ali takvi su rijetki. Ak te neće zgurati slabije, 4betom samo dajemo protivniku šansu da odigra perfektno protiv nas.

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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

Nitovi Kitovi  lol

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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

player unkown, prvi hand za tim stolom, bi kako drugačije odigrali?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.50
Big Blind: $1

SB ($109.82)
BB (RearAdmiral88) ($100)
BTN ($104.5)

Dealt to BB (RearAdmiral88)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $1.5)

BTN raises to $2.66, SB raises to $9.98, BB (RearAdmiral88) calls $8.98, BTN folds

Flop: (Pot is $22.62, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png
SB bets $13.31, BB (RearAdmiral88) calls $13.31

Turn: (Pot is $49.24, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8D.png
SB bets $25.62, BB (RearAdmiral88) folds

                                                                     
Total Pot: $74.86 | Rake: $74.86




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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

isti igrač, par handova poslije. Koji line preflop i na flopu?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.50
Big Blind: $1

BB ($136.27)
BTN (RearAdmiral88) ($109)
SB ($100)

Dealt to BTN (RearAdmiral88)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $1.5)

BTN (RearAdmiral88) raises to $3, SB calls $2.5, BB raises to $13, BTN (RearAdmiral88) calls $10, SB calls $10

Flop: (Pot is $39, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png
SB checks, BB bets $21.5

Turn: (Pot is $60.5, 3 players)


River: (Pot is $60.5, 3 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $60.5 | Rake: $60.5




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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

54/46/ 8.3
AF: 7
SAMO 28 RUKU
je multyway, ali se čini ko da je ovaj manijak. Možda ga ide karta, pitanje je da li mu vjerovati?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.50
Big Blind: $1

BB ($101.5)
UTG (RearAdmiral88) ($111.63)
MP ($105.5)
CO ($123.73)
BTN ($107.66)
SB ($137.34)

Dealt to UTG (RearAdmiral88)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $1.5)

UTG (RearAdmiral88) raises to $4, MP calls $4, CO & BTN fold, SB calls $3.5, BB calls $3

Flop: (Pot is $16, 4 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png
SB checks, BB checks, UTG (RearAdmiral88) bets $7, MP & SB fold, BB raises to $26, UTG (RearAdmiral88) calls $19

Turn: (Pot is $68, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png
BB raises to $71.5 (All-In)

River: (Pot is $139.5, 2 players, 1 all-in)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $139.5 | Rake: $139.5




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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

25/17/6.4
AF 2.7
fold to cbet 44% raise cbet 22% (211 handa)

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.50
Big Blind: $1

BTN (RearAdmiral88) ($157.87)
SB ($100)
BB ($99)
UTG ($411.1)
MP ($118.87)
CO ($193)

Dealt to BTN (RearAdmiral88)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $1.5)

UTG & MP & CO fold, BTN (RearAdmiral88) raises to $3, SB calls $2.5, BB folds

Flop: (Pot is $7, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png
SB checks, BTN (RearAdmiral88) bets $4.66, SB raises to $13, BTN (RearAdmiral88) calls $8.34

Turn: (Pot is $33, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png
SB bets $25, BTN (RearAdmiral88) raises to $93.82

River: (Pot is $151.82, 2 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $151.82 | Rake: $151.82




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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

1. ja  bi 4b troje  vas  je  nece ti dat tolko kredita  za ovolko jak hand  i stackoffat ce se sa  slabijim
2. fold imas  jos  igraca  iz sebe
3.zsato tako gay  bet u 4 way potu?
4.culjak kaze da sam nit  ja bi foldo

bio je  flip, il cu dobit  il cu izgubit -vis  da  je  50-50
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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

isti ko i u prvom i drugom handu. Bori se za pot, ima fold to steal 63% i činilo mi se da mi pokušava oduzeti pot
25/21/ 7.6
turn i river AGF 24 i 38%
turn mu nisam vjerovao, ali river nije baš dobra karta pala + nije imao tako veliki AGF tada pa sam se dvoumio.

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.50
Big Blind: $1

SB (RearAdmiral88) ($100)
BB ($100)
UTG ($423.19)
CO ($106.08)
BTN ($220.54)

Dealt to SB (RearAdmiral88)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $1.5)

UTG & CO & BTN fold, SB (RearAdmiral88) raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: (Pot is $6, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png
SB (RearAdmiral88) bets $4, BB calls $4

Turn: (Pot is $14, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png
SB (RearAdmiral88) bets $9.33, BB raises to $28, SB (RearAdmiral88) calls $18.67

River: (Pot is $70, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png
SB (RearAdmiral88) checks, BB raises to $65 (All-In)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $135 | Rake: $135




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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

1. A znaš i sam kak si mogo drugačije. Isto bi ko i ti.
2. Fold vs unknown
3. Ovako na papiru je fold, ali ovisno kakav je villain prije bio možda bih nekad i našo call.
4. Sviđa mi se
5. Ja bih već na turnu odusto, 24 AFQ i nije nešto velik. Po meni river i ne mijenja puno stvari, teško je reć, mislim da u ovakvim situacijama bi ti najbolje trebo znat kaj napravit.

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Re: 6max handovi, Rear

1. S obzirom da ti je prvi hand mislim da je ok flat 3bet
2. Čini mi se ok
3. Blizu je. Kolko znam sebe, ne dajem nikad kredita luđacima tako da moguće da bi se zastackao. Ako ima set il neka 2 debilna para neka mu.
4. Prespewy mi je se čini hand. Ti na turnu od value handova repaš samo 5x, 88 i JJ. Protivnik ako imalo razmišlja zna da ga tu nikad nećeš raise-at sa overparovima već ćeš najčešće vrlo vjerojatno samo plaćat.
5. Ja bi vjarojatno c/c turn. Agresivan lik koji te nije raise-ao na flopu već tu na blank turnu mislim da će češće imat value handove nego drawove osim ako je na tom levelu di zna da ako raise-a flop repa ugl. drawove, a na turnu 2p+ jer realno na turn raise ćeš hitit dosta Ax handova.

Zadnji popravljao AlphaScorpii (05-04-2011 18:39:13)

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