Tema: NL200: par handova

Ispričavam se odmah zbog preglednosti. Nisam htio spammat forum sa 4 nove teme...

Hand 1:

Lik je igrao 24/21 na 30tak handova. Agresivan svaki hand koji je otvorio. S obzirom da moj range izgleda kao KQ/AQ/AJ/KJ itd... moguće da je odmah odlučio 3barrelat jer je ovo super flop za to u slučaju da ne pobere raise na nekom streetu. Jel mi logika ok? Jel vam ovo super standard fold na riveru ili je ok i callat?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $1
Big Blind: $2

UTG ($438.2)
CO ($200)
BTN (Alpha Scorpii) ($355.7)
SB ($297.95)
BB ($214.25)

Dealt to BTN (Alpha Scorpii)
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Preflop: (Pot is: $3)

UTG raises to $7, CO folds, BTN (Alpha Scorpii) calls $7, SB folds, BB calls $5

Flop: (Pot is $22, 3 players)

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BB checks, UTG bets $15, BTN (Alpha Scorpii) calls $15, BB folds

Turn: (Pot is $52, 2 players)

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UTG bets $35, BTN (Alpha Scorpii) calls $35

River: (Pot is $122, 2 players)

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UTG bets $73

                                                                     
Total Pot: $195 | Rake: $195


Hand 2:

Isti je villian kao u hand 1. Inače volim leadat ovakve flopove, al villian je cbetao svaki flop i bio dosta agro pa sam išao rađe na c/r. S obzirom da bi FD vjerojatno cbetao na flopu, a board je drawy prilično sam siguran da me raise-ao sa Qx, ali nisam siguran koji je najbolji play u ovoj situaciji jer ako ga samo platim dosta river karata (a moguće i blank) će on cb, a opet ako ga raiseam nisam siguran jel se voljan zastackat sa svojim handom. Dakle call ili raise?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $1
Big Blind: $2

BTN ($467.4)
SB ($207)
BB (Alpha Scorpii) ($244)
UTG ($289.25)
CO ($392.5)

Dealt to BB (Alpha Scorpii)
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Preflop: (Pot is: $3)

UTG & CO fold, BTN raises to $5, SB folds, BB (Alpha Scorpii) calls $3

Flop: (Pot is $11, 2 players)

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BB (Alpha Scorpii) checks, BTN checks

Turn: (Pot is $11, 2 players)

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BB (Alpha Scorpii) bets $9, BTN raises to $31


Hand 3:

Villian je igrao 20/14. Ja sam dosta otvarao BTN, ali nijednom me nije 3betao iako sam to očekivao. Jel ovo cooler ili sam se bzvz zastackao? Moja logika je bila da on vjerojatno leada PP i FD, a ja ako callam očito mi je range Ax i PP pa sam rađe htio da moj range izgleda polarizirano.

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $1
Big Blind: $2

BB ($503.2)
UTG ($203)
MP ($201.75)
CO (Alpha Scorpii) ($290.7)
BTN ($302.35)
SB ($204.25)

Dealt to CO (Alpha Scorpii)
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Preflop: (Pot is: $3)

UTG & MP fold, CO (Alpha Scorpii) raises to $6, BTN folds, SB calls $5, BB folds

Flop: (Pot is $14, 2 players)

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SB bets $11, CO (Alpha Scorpii) raises to $31, SB raises to $82, CO (Alpha Scorpii) raises to $284.7 (All-In), SB calls $116.25 (All-In)

Turn: (Pot is $496.95, 2 players, 2 all-in)

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River: (Pot is $496.95, 2 players, 2 all-in)

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Showdown:
CO (Alpha Scorpii) shows
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(Flush, Ace high)

SB shows
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(Full House, Tens over Twos)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $496.95 | Rake: $3

Winners:
CO (Alpha Scorpii) wins $86.45
SB wins $407.5


Hand 4:

Villian je bio 24/20. Standardno je dosta otvarao BTN. BB je riba i neznam dal očekuje da ću ja flatat svoje jake handove da zadržim ribu u potu. Flop je za mene super, ali nisam siguran dal mogu dobit 3 streeta value-a. Ovako pošto imam AQ manje su šanse da on ima AQ, a veće da ima nekog slabijeg asa pa nisam siguran jel bolje možda napravit da nam hand izgleda weak sa npr. checkom na turnu pošto će on ionako sve svoje PP s kojima je flatao flop hitit na turnu, a slabijeg asa moguće betat, a ukoliko nemogu dobit 3 streeta onda je ionako svejedno... nadam se da je razumljivo.

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $1
Big Blind: $2

MP ($200)
CO ($271.6)
BTN ($200)
SB (Alpha Scorpii) ($250.7)
BB ($246.5)
UTG ($399)

Dealt to SB (Alpha Scorpii)
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Preflop: (Pot is: $3)

UTG & MP & CO fold, BTN raises to $5, SB (Alpha Scorpii) raises to $19, BB folds, BTN calls $14

Flop: (Pot is $40, 2 players)

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SB (Alpha Scorpii) bets $22, BTN calls $22

Turn: (Pot is $84, 2 players)

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Zadnji popravljao AlphaScorpii (25-04-2011 00:24:34)

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Re: NL200: par handova

1. hand
mozda je u medjuvremenu postalo standardno ovako igrati KQo preflop, ali ja bi to ili foldao ili 3betao
flat je, bez obzira na position, uzasan

2. hand
bet flop, uvijek i bez iznimke
as played, spot je uzasan jer je fold preweak, a svejedno jako smrdi na to da si gori

3. hand
standard

4. hand
bet, sto drugo

I na kraju bude " HARAŠO"
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Re: NL200: par handova

butko napisao:

1. hand
mozda je u medjuvremenu postalo standardno ovako igrati KQo preflop, ali ja bi to ili foldao ili 3betao
flat je, bez obzira na position, uzasan

Dosta velika provala,3bet ovdje sa KQ nema nikakvog smisla a i opcenito rijetko kad ces imat situaciju gdje je dobro 3betat KQ osim da ponekad smiksas.

2. hand
bet flop, uvijek i bez iznimke
as played, spot je uzasan jer je fold preweak, a svejedno jako smrdi na to da si gori

UVIJEK? nema takve rijeci u pokeru,BEZ IZNIMKE? nema te 2 rijeci u pokeru

3. hand
standard

4. hand
bet, sto drugo

Zadnji popravljao croman19 (25-04-2011 00:48:13)

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Re: NL200: par handova

zašto protiv određenog tipa igrača nebi bilo ok ponekad i checkirat turn u zadnjem hendu?
mislim ovako mu dajemo priliku da baci tog slabijeg A ako ga ima,a ako mi checkiramo dajemo mu priliku da se valuetowna i pokupimo 2 streeta valuea,al naravno bez informacija bet...

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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Re: NL200: par handova

1.Zajebano,UTG raiser 3barrela-izgleda jako.

2.Sigurno da mozes donkat flop,na turnu ako znam da nikad nece chekirat behind fd na flopu vjerojatno bi rejzao jer on ima nekakav hand tipa A9,A7 sa As,Q nema cesto kao sto mislis jer nema razloga da to rejza,mozda KsQ ili AsQ ali ne vjerujem da ni to rejza.
Uglavnom tesko da mozes znat jel ikad chekira behind flop sa fd pa bi callao ovaj turn i c/c river koji nije spade.

3.Ne vjerujem da bi rejzao ovdje flop ikad jer on je ovdje uvijek jako weak,vecinom A8,55,QJ handovi a ti imas hand s kojim callas da pokupis jos koji bluff i razvalis ga na turnu i riveru

4.Ovdje on ima handove tipa AJ,A10s,    109s s kojim je odlucio floatat da vidi hoces li ti odustat na turnu pa da uzme pot i 88 i jako rijetko 6.
Ako je on igrac koji ce ti callat jos 2 streeta sa bilo kojim A onda bet bet.Ako mislis da ce ti foldat na turnu sve osim 6 onda najbolje chekiraj turn i river c/shipaj all in ako turn prode c-c

Zadnji popravljao croman19 (25-04-2011 01:02:40)

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Re: NL200: par handova

croman19 napisao:

Dosta velika provala,3bet ovdje sa KQ nema nikakvog smisla a i opcenito rijetko kad ces imat situaciju gdje je dobro 3betat KQ osim da ponekad smiksas.

zasto ne bi imalo smisla 3betat kad je villain aggro
protiv nita foldas KQo, ovdje 3betas (ako zbog niceg, da ga efikasnije izoliras)
ako miksamo onda je u ovom spotu ionak svejedno jel KQo ili 67s


croman19 napisao:

UVIJEK? nema takve rijeci u pokeru,BEZ IZNIMKE? nema te 2 rijeci u pokeru

pa nema, mozes ti i bacit karte u muck bez ikakvog actiona i tako bacit lika u monster tilt ako ti je njegov action preflop omogucio super read da on ovdje ima 88, ali stvarno mislim da bi ovdje uvijek morali donk betati

I na kraju bude " HARAŠO"
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Re: NL200: par handova

butko napisao:
croman19 napisao:

Dosta velika provala,3bet ovdje sa KQ nema nikakvog smisla a i opcenito rijetko kad ces imat situaciju gdje je dobro 3betat KQ osim da ponekad smiksas.

zasto ne bi imalo smisla 3betat kad je villain aggro
protiv nita foldas KQo, ovdje 3betas (ako zbog niceg, da ga efikasnije izoliras)
ako miksamo onda je u ovom spotu ionak svejedno jel KQo ili 67s

Nema smisla jer moras foldat na 4bet a hand je super za callat i igrat postflop ip protiv jako agresivnog protivnika(izoliranje? izoliranje nije vazno a i izoliran ce biti jer blindovi foldaju,znaci ostajete hu) Na miksanje sam mislio opcenito,ne u ovoj situaciji,miksas pokoji 3bet da protivnik ne vidi da svaki put kad imas KQ,KJ,AJ samo flatas a nikad ne 3betas za value.

croman19 napisao:

UVIJEK? nema takve rijeci u pokeru,BEZ IZNIMKE? nema te 2 rijeci u pokeru

pa nema, mozes ti i bacit karte u muck bez ikakvog actiona i tako bacit lika u monster tilt ako ti je njegov action preflop omogucio super read da on ovdje ima 88, ali stvarno mislim da bi ovdje uvijek morali donk betati

Zadnji popravljao croman19 (25-04-2011 01:17:13)

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Re: NL200: par handova

butko napisao:

1. hand
mozda je u medjuvremenu postalo standardno ovako igrati KQo preflop, ali ja bi to ili foldao ili 3betao
flat je, bez obzira na position, uzasan

2. hand
bet flop, uvijek i bez iznimke
as played, spot je uzasan jer je fold preweak, a svejedno jako smrdi na to da si gori

3. hand
standard

4. hand
bet, sto drugo

1. hand sam flatio isključivo jer je riba bila na blindovima. Inače i ja to ili foldam ili 3betam.
4. hand... ne sviđa mi se pomisao takve isključivosti. Mislim da je croman sve rekao po tom pitanju pa neću ponavljat.

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Re: NL200: par handova

Uglavnom se slažem s cromanom, ali drugi hand mislim da sve ovisi koliko misliš da je lik agro pa na temelju toga raizaš ili callaš pa čekiraš.

U prvom handu bi gotovo uvijek foldao river, jer mi izgleda ko da te navlači, a ako se znate samo 30-ak handova, neće ići raditi value bet bluff.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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