Tema: NL10 hendovi

Ovdje cu objavljivati hendove za koje nisam siguran kako odigrati.

Prvi hend:

Igrač je 12/7 i 3bet 4% na oko 100 hendova. Što na flopu? chek/fold?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

CO ($10)
BTN ($13.48)
SB (Hero) ($10.35)
BB ($10)
UTG ($13.59)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
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Preflop: (Pot is: $0.25)

UTG folds, CO checks, BTN folds, SB (Hero) raises to $0.4, BB raises to $1.3, CO folds, SB (Hero) raises to $2.8, BB calls $1.5

Flop: (Pot is $5.7, 2 players)

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Turn: (Pot is $5.7, 2 players)


River: (Pot is $5.7, 2 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $5.7 | Rake: $5.7

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check/fold

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mislim da on tu u večni slučajeva ima AK...ovakav igrač AA i KK shova preflop na 4bet...
check fold je optimalan play ,da si npr. ti IP i da je on callao tvoj 3bet onda bi cbetao al ovako nema smisla,čim je callao tvoj 4bet
i dobiješ ovakav board mislim da te ima...jedini realan hend koji bi mogao imati a da je slabiji od tebe je JJ..

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RedDevil_7 napisao:

mislim da on tu u večni slučajeva ima AK...ovakav igrač AA i KK shova preflop na 4bet...
check fold je optimalan play ..

+1

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OK! I ja sam slično razmišljao. DAlje me zanima preflop. Jel ovdje bolje samo callati 3bet ili 4betati? Protiv ovakvog igrača 4betom na neki način pretvaram ruku u blef jer ce me callati/5betati(šipat) samo KK+.

Zadnji popravljao krkinho (16-06-2011 20:47:17)

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dobar je 4bet... na njegov 5bet bi vjerojatno foldao... al ja bih ovaj flop cak i cbetao oko pola pota jer mislim da tu baca sve osim AK... a realno moze imati i TT-QQ sto bi tu trebao baciti... na tvoj check sigurno te beta na tom flopu i onda ti moras bacati...

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Re: NL10 hendovi

Mislim da ti je bolje samo call u vecini slucajeva protiv tih igraca.

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kriss napisao:

dobar je 4bet... na njegov 5bet bi vjerojatno foldao... al ja bih ovaj flop cak i cbetao oko pola pota jer mislim da tu baca sve osim AK... a realno moze imati i TT-QQ sto bi tu trebao baciti... na tvoj check sigurno te beta na tom flopu i onda ti moras bacati...

Znaci ti tu 4bet blefas s QQ i onda jos cbetas kao blef, a jedino ti folda TT do QQ koje moze imati i vrlo malo vjerojatno je jer je mali broj kombinacija. I nikako se ne slazem s tobom da takav igrac ide to jos pretvarat u blef.

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Što na turnu?

Igrač je 13/3 i AF:1. Sample je 80 hendova.

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

MP ($10.1)
CO ($10)
BTN ($4.97)
SB ($10)
BB (Hero) ($10.3)
UTG ($12.24)

Dealt to BB (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & MP fold, CO raises to $0.3, BTN & SB fold, BB (Hero) raises to $0.9, CO calls $0.6

Flop: (Pot is $1.85, 2 players)

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BB (Hero) bets $1.3, CO calls $1.3

Turn: (Pot is $4.45, 2 players)

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River: (Pot is $4.45, 2 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $4.45 | Rake: $4.45

Zadnji popravljao krkinho (17-06-2011 12:15:44)

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pa bet valda, šta drugo, bet, bet , bet

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Rear_Admiral napisao:
kriss napisao:

dobar je 4bet... na njegov 5bet bi vjerojatno foldao... al ja bih ovaj flop cak i cbetao oko pola pota jer mislim da tu baca sve osim AK... a realno moze imati i TT-QQ sto bi tu trebao baciti... na tvoj check sigurno te beta na tom flopu i onda ti moras bacati...

Znaci ti tu 4bet blefas s QQ i onda jos cbetas kao blef, a jedino ti folda TT do QQ koje moze imati i vrlo malo vjerojatno je jer je mali broj kombinacija. I nikako se ne slazem s tobom da takav igrac ide to jos pretvarat u blef.

pa meni u vecini takvih sitacija foldaju (obv ovisi protiv kakvog igraca igram, necu svakom tak odigrati al ovdje misilm da bih)... jer on ovdje s tim 4betom i cbetom repa KK, AA ili AK... btw koliko ovaj 3beta s blindova???

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kriss napisao:

btw koliko ovaj 3beta s blindova???

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krkinho napisao:

Što na turnu?

Igrač je 13/3 i AF:1. Sample je 80 hendova.

____________________                  

Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

MP ($10.1)
CO ($10)
BTN ($4.97)
SB ($10)
BB (Hero) ($10.3)
UTG ($12.24)

Dealt to BB (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & MP fold, CO raises to $0.3, BTN & SB fold, BB (Hero) raises to $0.9, CO calls $0.6

Flop: (Pot is $1.85, 2 players)

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BB (Hero) bets $1.3, CO calls $1.3

Turn: (Pot is $4.45, 2 players)

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River: (Pot is $4.45, 2 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $4.45 | Rake: $4.45

Ja bi beto nekih 50,60% pota da mi plati bar još jedan street s 99,TT,JJ i inim stvarima.

Nowdays, at financial crisis, I dont give people to much kredit for second and third barrel!
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krkinho napisao:
kriss napisao:

btw koliko ovaj 3beta s blindova???

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u tom slucaju bi i ja call pf... i c/f flop...

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@kris - cak mi se cini da imas odse ako ti to rade s aa kk i ak, ali nebitno, nije ti cilj izbacit igraca van iz pota s QQ
I opet ovo zadnje kaj si napisao, pa ne mozes foldati QQ na cbet ako nije na 100 handova nijednom 3betao s blindova. Da je i vise handova opet nije dobro, cbetat ce i s AK kao i kk i aa.

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Rear_Admiral napisao:

@kris - cak mi se cini da imas odse ako ti to rade s aa kk i ak, ali nebitno, nije ti cilj izbacit igraca van iz pota s QQ
I opet ovo zadnje kaj si napisao, pa ne mozes foldati QQ na cbet ako nije na 100 handova nijednom 3betao s blindova. Da je i vise handova opet nije dobro, cbetat ce i s AK kao i kk i aa.

znam da je 100 handova mali sample al svejedno na 6max si tu 30-ak puta na blindovima i buduci da dosta stealaju vidim da ne 3beta za bluff nego iskljucivo za value... mislim da tu jedino dobiva time da QQ pretvara u bluff ili jednostavno izgubi minimalno...

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