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uopće se ne trebaš nalaziti u takvim situacijama .TJ off sa MP ti je fold preflop. as played fold
-Trenutno ne igram 6max . Dizati TJ off4xBB sa MP u bilo kojoj varijanti (mtt,6max,FR) ti je nepotreban i neispravan play IMO .Malo pogledaj range za 6max ovisno o pozicijama pa se probaj prilagoditi inače ćeš se stalno dovoditi u takve situacije.
Zadnji popravljao ivica5261 (15-06-2011 23:45:46)
ma ok ,stol je imao vpip 14 pa sam raiso vise ruku,ali
nisam mislio doslovno na tu situaciji nego recimo da imam tu AJ ili takvu kartu
U pravilu mozes raizat handove u kojima imas backdoor flush draw ili SDraw ili gut + overi za sve. Bitno je da imas neki equity, da ne raizas bezveze odnosno random. Ako puno donka onda mu je i range sirok, ako vidis da prvi put donka, slobodno foldas prije navedeno. Budi spreman opaliti i vise puta, ali pazi da barelas karte koje bi ti trebale pojacavati range, a ne koje bi njemu trebale.
Ako ti je vec tako pasivan stol, rade nadi neki s vise fisheva, ne igraj s regovima ako ima boljih stolova. To ti je jedna od bitnijih stvari u pokeru.
e to me zanimalo točno,hvala
ma znam neigram obicno one di je vpip ispod 30% ali nije bilo ostalih stolova slobodno pa sam tu sjeo
Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (16-06-2011 00:22:24)
prije svega, fold preflop...
protiv pasivnijeg da foldam? a agresivnijeg da 3betam ili?
otprilike da... ak ima visoki donk na flopu slobodno ga raisaj (btw. to nije 3bet 
), ak ima mali foldaj ne treba ti to...
protivnik je 15/13 i steal mu je 24%
jel sam ovdje trebao foldat turn?
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10
SB ($10.2)
BB (Hero) ($11.48)
UTG ($11.51)
CO ($16.36)
BTN ($10)
Dealt to BB (Hero)
Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)
UTG & CO & BTN fold, SB raises to $0.3, BB (Hero) raises to $0.7, SB calls $0.4
Flop: (Pot is $1.4, 2 players)
SB checks, BB (Hero) bets $0.66, SB calls $0.66
Turn: (Pot is $2.72, 2 players)
SB checks, BB (Hero) bets $1.29, SB raises to $3.3, BB (Hero) calls $2.01
River: (Pot is $9.32, 2 players)
SB checks, BB (Hero) bets $6.82 (All-In), SB folds
Total Pot: $16.14 | Rake: $0.46
Winners:
BB (Hero) wins $15.68
prot je 35/27/4
ovdje sam dvaput misskliko pa je sizebetting loš to nemojte gledat
nego,slicno ko i prosla ruka,
mislim da ovo nije najbolje bas odigrano na flopu ??
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10
MP ($10)
CO ($19.05)
BTN ($10)
SB ($10.32)
BB ($18.34)
UTG (Hero) ($10.25)
Dealt to UTG (Hero)
Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)
UTG (Hero) raises to $0.4, MP & CO & BTN fold, SB calls $0.35, BB calls $0.3
Flop: (Pot is $1.2, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG (Hero) bets $0.85, SB raises to $2.76, BB folds, UTG (Hero) raises to $5, SB raises to $7.24, UTG (Hero) raises to $9.48, SB raises to $9.92 (All-In), UTG (Hero) calls $0.37 (All-In)
Turn: (Pot is $20.97, 2 players, 2 all-in)
River: (Pot is $20.97, 2 players, 2 all-in)
Showdown:
SB shows 
(One Pair, Queens)
UTG (Hero) shows
(One Pair, Queens)
Total Pot: $20.97 | Rake: $1
Winners:
SB wins $0.07
UTG (Hero) wins $19.9
kolki mu je fold to 3bet u prvom hendu?
ja bi to protiv njega flato IP..as played, betaj više flop...barem 90c..turn isto tako, barem 2$..
sigurno te nebi rejzao da malo povečaš bet sizing, zbog toga češ se u puno više teških situacija dovodit jer neki protivnici to vide kao weak bet i pokušavat će te izgurat iz potova samo zbog tvojeg bet sizinga...jače betaj 
drugi hend..neznam težak spot kad SB rejza u troje tvoj bet, to bi trebalo značit da je uber jak..al kad si se več odlučio zastackat na flopu na njegov rejz samo shovaj, nema smisla radit ove još 3betove,4minbetove i sl.
Zadnji popravljao RedDevil_7 (19-06-2011 23:42:21)
33% na 100 ruku
ma kod ove druge ruku sam miskliko dvaput pa je tako ispalo htio sam all in odma
... znaci da je ok u takvim situacijama ici all in?ili u vecini tu gubim ipak?
dugoročno si u plusu, gledat češ ovdje puno kombinacija parova+ FD, parovi+ OESD...
većinom slučajeva češ flipat..ali si lagani fav u tom flipanju..
1. mislim da bi mogao imati isto sto i ti, mozda i KQ al sumnjam... ne vidim sta moze imati u rangeu da je tako odigrao flop pa da turn c/r, osim AQ... i kao sto je reddevil rekao betaj jace pa ce ti bit sve puno jasnije...
2. shove na njegov raise...
jel flop ovdje dobro odigran?ili mozda bolje da sam betao odma?
prot je 24/19/2
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10
SB ($4.87)
BB (Hero) ($10)
UTG ($10)
MP ($9.89)
CO ($4.06)
BTN ($10.09)
Dealt to BB (Hero)
Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)
UTG & MP & CO fold, BTN raises to $0.3, SB folds, BB (Hero) raises to $1, BTN calls $0.7
Flop: (Pot is $2.05, 2 players)
BB (Hero) checks, BTN bets $1.2, BB (Hero) raises to $2.9, BTN calls $1.7
Turn: (Pot is $7.85, 2 players)
BB (Hero) bets $6.1 (All-In), BTN calls $6.1
River: (Pot is $20.05, 2 players, 1 all-in)
Showdown:
BB (Hero) shows
(One Pair, Tens)
BTN shows 
(One Pair, Jacks)
Total Pot: $20.05 | Rake: $1
Winners:
BTN wins $19.05
bet/fold flop..
i nemoj pokazivat rezultate hendova da ljudi mogu objektivno komentirat
Zadnji popravljao RedDevil_7 (21-06-2011 17:09:26)
aha,ma zaboravim uvijek maknit
recimo da sam beto i flop i turn i on je svaki put call,i dosla je na turnu karta za boju,a rvier za skalu neku
sta je najbolje onda na riveru?to mi se recimo dosta puno dogada na manjim limitima svaki street odigraju c/c ,a nemozes ih oterat vecim betom
Zadnji popravljao ivan031 (21-06-2011 18:44:36)
pa u ovoj tvojoj situaciji je na turnu flush na riveru skala...
na ovom flopu nema drawova za skalu u njegovom rangeu jer s tim ne calla 3bet preflop...
može imati jedino flush draw ili to što ima +KJ,QJs možda...
prema tome turn isto betaš..ako calla,river je check/fold, nemože valubetat slabiji hend od tvog..
prot je 31/24
jel bi reraisali flop?
i dal bi betali river i kolko?
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10
CO ($10)
BTN (Hero) ($15.93)
SB ($32.36)
BB ($10.17)
UTG ($10.15)
Dealt to BTN (Hero)
Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)
UTG folds, CO raises to $0.3, BTN (Hero) calls $0.3, SB & BB fold
Flop: (Pot is $0.75, 2 players)
CO bets $0.4, BTN (Hero) calls $0.4
Turn: (Pot is $1.55, 2 players)
CO bets $0.8, BTN (Hero) raises to $2, CO calls $1.2
River: (Pot is $5.55, 2 players)
CO checks
Total Pot: $5.55 | Rake: $5.55
Ovisi, ako je jako agresivan i cbeta turn onda cu odigrati ovako kako si ti odigrao. Ako ne cbeta turn sa velikim flop cbetom, onda bi callao flop i foldao turn na njegov cbet, a betao ako ne bi cbetao turn.
a jel bi betao river,sad kad je vec tako odigrano?
i evo jedna situacija,mozda glupo izgleda al jel ok ovako potbetat top par kad dobijem,a nije bilo akcije prije flopa
jer se znam tako iz glupe situacije dovest u veci pot kad dobijem call
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10
CO ($10.19)
BTN ($10)
SB (Hero) ($10)
BB ($15.38)
UTG ($6.01)
MP ($4.39)
Dealt to SB (Hero)
Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)
UTG calls $0.1, MP folds, CO calls $0.1, BTN folds, SB (Hero) calls $0.05, BB checks
Flop: (Pot is $0.4, 4 players)
SB (Hero) bets $0.3, BB & UTG & CO fold
Total Pot: $0.7 | Rake: $0.02
Winners:
SB (Hero) wins $0.68
Vjerojatno ne bih jer ti cesto nece foldati ace high ili PP.
Pa u pravilu i betas jako u limped potu. Ali trebas znati pustit hand.
prot je 34/25/ flop agresion 2
sta bi tu bilo najbolje?
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10
BB ($22.79)
UTG ($10)
MP ($5.39)
CO (Hero) ($11.1)
BTN ($10.05)
SB ($11.5)
Dealt to CO (Hero)
Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)
UTG & MP fold, CO (Hero) raises to $0.3, BTN & SB fold, BB calls $0.2
Flop: (Pot is $0.65, 2 players)
BB checks, CO (Hero) bets $0.5, BB raises to $1, CO (Hero) raises to $2.5, BB raises to $22.49 (All-In)
Turn: (Pot is $25.64, 2 players, 1 all-in)
River: (Pot is $25.64, 2 players, 1 all-in)
Total Pot: $25.64 | Rake: $25.64
Isto bi odigrao flop baš iz razloga da se ne spari desetka i budemo dead i ostavimo stack, ship je smješan ako ima iti jedan od handova koji te beataju i ako te još stavlja na over. A bez reada iz igre neznaš jeli u stanju to raditi sa bottomom rangea AJ KJ KQ i sl. Očito čovjek ne želi zaraditi ili je bio siguran da si sa 20% stacka commitan, jer mislim da si beatan 95% vremena.
Veci 3bet na flopu i obv call.
evo par ruku... dobio sam stake,runnam dobro pa bi samo provjerio igru u vezi cbetanja:dali previse ili premalo bulleta,sizing i to..
protivnici su svi caling station s fold to flopcbet oko 50%
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.04
MP (Hero) ($8.16)
CO ($10.21)
BTN ($4)
SB ($4.1)
BB ($5.74)
UTG ($1.94)
Dealt to MP (Hero)
Preflop: (Pot is: $0.06)
UTG folds, MP (Hero) raises to $0.12, CO folds, BTN calls $0.12, SB & BB fold
Flop: (Pot is $0.3, 2 players)
MP (Hero) bets $0.2, BTN calls $0.2
Turn: (Pot is $0.7, 2 players)
MP (Hero) bets $0.44, BTN calls $0.44
River: (Pot is $1.58, 2 players)
check?
Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.04
SB (Hero) ($4)
BB ($4)
UTG ($3.45)
CO ($3.98)
BTN ($4.91)
Dealt to SB (Hero)
Preflop: (Pot is: $0.06)
UTG calls $0.04, CO & BTN fold, SB (Hero) raises to $0.16, BB calls $0.12, UTG calls $0.12
Flop: (Pot is $0.48, 3 players)
SB (Hero) bets $0.28, BB calls $0.28, UTG folds
Turn: (Pot is $1.04, 2 players)
check ili jos jedan cbet
Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.04
BTN (Hero) ($4)
SB ($8.96)
BB ($4.56)
UTG ($7.11)
MP ($4)
CO ($6.8)
Dealt to BTN (Hero) 
Preflop: (Pot is: $0.06)
UTG raises to $0.16, MP folds, CO calls $0.16, BTN (Hero) raises to $0.52, SB & BB & UTG fold, CO calls $0.36
Flop: (Pot is $1.26, 2 players)
koliki bet ovdje?
Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.04
BTN ($7.94)
SB (Hero) ($4)
BB ($4.52)
UTG ($4.29)
MP ($1.55)
CO ($4.41)
Dealt to SB (Hero)
Preflop: (Pot is: $0.06)
UTG & MP fold, CO calls $0.04, BTN folds, SB (Hero) raises to $0.16, BB folds, CO calls $0.12
Flop: (Pot is $0.36, 2 players)
SB (Hero) bets $0.2, CO calls $0.2
Turn: (Pot is $0.76, 2 players)
2. bullet ili check ?
1. nebi beto river jedino kaj betas je flush draw koji pasivan calling station nece valjda betat
2.nebi u 2 igraca beto ovaj flop,kazes da su calling stationi a ovj flop ih pogada
3.0.80
4.nebi ni to beto, range mu je pun Ax, i brodway hendova koje nece bacit