Tema: Curi Vuci na sve strane

Molio bih komentare na handove znam da ne igra baš svatko NL5 ali svatko mišljenje ili savjet je dobrodošao.
Statsi su tandarrd (handovi)VPIP/PFR/AF

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Hand 1
Tu mi se čini nekako kao da ga plačam, nemam neke statse o njemu i dali je pre mal 3 bet ( i dali sam trebao tu 3betati) ?


No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.05

CO (Hero) ($4.95)
BTN ($12)
SB ($6.56)
BB ($4.28)      (10)10/0/0
UTG ($6.31)      (14)59/21/4
MP ($8.56)

Dealt to CO (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.07)

UTG raises to $0.15, MP folds, CO (Hero) raises to $0.35, BTN & SB fold, BB calls $0.3, UTG calls $0.2

Flop: (Pot is $1.07, 3 players)

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BB checks, UTG checks, CO (Hero) bets $0.65, BB calls $0.65, UTG calls $0.65

Turn: (Pot is $3.02, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png
BB checks, UTG checks, CO (Hero) bets $1.75, BB folds, UTG raises to $3.5  Hero???



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Hand 2
Tu moram priznati da sam na buttonu 3Betao da mi folda MP ali BB me callao i kada sam c-betao re-reisao me ... nemam baš previše ruku na njemu ali ima li netko kakav komentar?


No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.05

UTG ($7.52)
MP ($5)        (33)10/10/0
CO ($9.2)
BTN (Hero) ($4.95)
SB ($5.59)
BB ($5)          (116)26/16/3

Dealt to BTN (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.07)

UTG folds, MP raises to $0.17, CO folds, BTN (Hero) raises to $0.4, SB folds, BB calls $0.35, MP folds

Flop: (Pot is $0.99, 2 players)

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BB checks, BTN (Hero) bets $0.55, BB raises to $1.65, BTN (Hero) ???


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Hand 3
Oba dvoje mi se čine kao fish mda nemam puno handova na njima - mislim da kada me re-raisao da imam opciju fold ili all in ?
I jako mi je velika greška check flop ? ali sta bi mi tu bio ispravan bet i sta ako me re-reisa ?

No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.05

BTN ($5)
SB ($5.11)   (9)42/22/4
BB (Hhero) ($16.39)
UTG ($4.86)
CO ($5)       (25)42/24/1

Dealt to BB (Hhero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.07)

UTG folds, CO raises to $0.17, BTN folds, SB calls $0.15, BB (Hhero) raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.68, SB folds

Flop: (Pot is $1.87, 2 players)

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BB (Hhero) checks, CO bets $1.4, BB (Hhero) ???

Zadnji popravljao Vuco (15-09-2010 00:02:04)

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1 hand- treba malo jaci 3bet. na turnu si dao si 3$ ostaje ti jos 2. fold ili allin. ja bi gurno jer mi nekako delije da nema T
2 hand - sta smo hteli sa AT? ne volim sto lik check rejzuje.
3 hand -zeznuto jer nisi cbetao pa nemas bas tolki read. znaju da blefiraju a znaju i da imaju A.

moz biti dobar kolko oces kad njih sere
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1. Dobar je 3bet pošto ovaj igra dosta ruku. Samo sizeing ti je loš. Ja bi do 0.5.
Flop bi onda mogao više betati i nebi morao razmišljati na turnu.

2. Opet veći 3bet. Flop je dobar bet i moraš foldati nakon rerejza jer izgleda da je slowplayao nešto preflop.

3. Nije greška chekirati, ali to ovisi o protivnicima. Ako imaš dobar read na njima onda je čak poželjno chekirati. A pošto nemaš, ja bi betao pola pota i odustao na bilo kakvu daljnju akciju.

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Ok thnx, moram priznati da sam i sam primjetio da pre malo 3betam, koliko je standrdni 3 bet ?  oko 3x 4x (PF) ?

Počeo sam ono igrati TAG i okušavam se educirati malo više i moram priznati otkako malo više počinjem razmišljati za stolom šta igram i kako i s kime nema više multiteblanja tone stolova jedva igram 4 stola lol

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3-3,5x kad si u poziciji, 3,5-4,5 kad si off position...

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1. call
2. behind si svega sto raisa za value, kao sto je roba napisao moguce je da je callao JJ+ preflop. Board je super dry i jedino sto beatas sa top pairom jer bluff/semibluff.
3. ja bih check/callao flop i na turnu odlucio kako dalje.

Pravi šubara lovac voli lov, žene i novac.
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roba59 napisao:

3. Nije greška chekirati, ali to ovisi o protivnicima. Ako imaš dobar read na njima onda je čak poželjno chekirati. A pošto nemaš, ja bi betao pola pota i odustao na bilo kakvu daljnju akciju.

Ovo.
Kad nemas read, sa KK kad ti se okrene A na flopu, najbolje je cbet i probat uzet pot odma.
Ako se otima, pusti i docekaj ga sljedeci put...

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Jučer i danas dosta sam gubio sa pocket parovima nikako da ulovim set (danas jedno 10 puta me pogodi pocket JJ i nikad set) malo sam danas računao na 340 handova (to su handovi samo s  kojima sam vidio flop a imam pocket pair) 29 puta sam ulovio set na flopu to je oko 8.5% malo nešto .. pre mali je sample za zaključit da nemam sreče ili da je rigged big_smile ?



I evo jedan hand lik je na 220 handova 18/16/4 - Ne znam kako igrati protiv TAG-ova čini mi se da ih uvijek plačam pa i na kraju glupo betam. Kako biste vi ovo odigrali?

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No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.05

BB (Hero) ($6.63)
UTG ($7.68)
MP ($5)
CO ($5.65)
BTN ($8.12)
SB ($4.44)

Dealt to BB (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.07)

UTG & MP fold, CO raises to $0.15, BTN & SB fold, BB (Hero) raises to $0.35, CO calls $0.2

Flop: (Pot is $0.72, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png
BB (Hero) checks, CO bets $0.45, BB (Hero) calls $0.45

Turn: (Pot is $1.62, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png
BB (Hero) bets $1.15, CO calls $1.15

River: (Pot is $3.92, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png
BB (Hero) checks, CO bets $3.7 (All-In), BB (Hero) folds,

                                                                     
Total Pot: $3.92 | Rake: $0.26

Winners:
CO wins $3.66

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Lijepo ti je roba napisao kako da 3betaš, a ti opet seruckaš sa 3betom. Na mjetu villaina ja bi te callao sa 80% range-a sa kojim sam rejzao.

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a ja sa 100%

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Brky napisao:

a ja sa 100%

I imaš pravo  smile

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ok mda baš glupo betam protiv TAG-ova jer nikad ne foldaju samo me rejzaju pa sam počeo malo i trapati ih

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Vuco napisao:

Jučer i danas dosta sam gubio sa pocket parovima nikako da ulovim set (danas jedno 10 puta me pogodi pocket JJ i nikad set) malo sam danas računao na 340 handova (to su handovi samo s  kojima sam vidio flop a imam pocket pair) 29 puta sam ulovio set na flopu to je oko 8.5% malo nešto .. pre mali je sample za zaključit da nemam sreče ili da je rigged big_smile ?

Nemoj se toliko opterečivati pocketima. 22+ uvijek open rejz. JJ rejz/3bet (protiv agro manijaka i to guram), QQ+ rejz/3bet/shove (osim protiv nitova bi ponekad izbacio QQ). 3bet sa manjim pocketima možeš braniti kada je efektivni stack barem! 15x.
Ako negdje griješim, ispravite.

Šta se tiče 8,5%. realno je  cca 12,5% tako da je tvoja brojka realna. Na večem sample-u češ se približiti navedenoj brojci.

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Vuco napisao:

ok mda baš glupo betam protiv TAG-ova jer nikad ne foldaju samo me rejzaju pa sam počeo malo i trapati ih

AKs 3betaš za value a ne za bluf. Ako te rejza, shipaj. Na NL5 nemoj trapati, samo češ se dovuči u nezgodne situacije kao šta i sam možeš primjetiti.

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I ako već ne cbetaš ovaj flop, onda foldaj ako protivnik beta.

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Nemoj se toliko opterečivati pocketima. 22+ uvijek open rejz. JJ rejz/3bet (protiv agro manijaka i to guram), QQ+ rejz/3bet/shove (osim protiv nitova bi ponekad izbacio QQ). 3bet sa manjim pocketima možeš braniti kada je efektivni stack barem! 15x.
Ako negdje griješim, ispravite.

Ok hvala na savijetima a kako biste odigrali ako ste na LP i imate od 22-99 pokcet parove a netko prije vas beta 4xBB kako protiv riba a kako protiv TAG-ova ?
... nije mi baš jasan taj dio sa manjim parovima

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Callaš za set...

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Jao, jako ruzno odigran ovaj AK. Skroz izgubljen. Ne treba ti call na flopu kad vec ne cbetaš, i ne treba ti taj donk na turnu.

imaj cvijetak u reveru, a u ruci bombonjeru...
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chillin napisao:

Jao, jako ruzno odigran ovaj AK. Skroz izgubljen. Ne treba ti call na flopu kad vec ne cbetaš, i ne treba ti taj donk na turnu.

da zato sam i postao ga i thnx za odgovor
Kada gledam odigrane handove baš ono tonu ovakvih gluposti radim ... dobro pa nisam krenio sa NL10 big_smile

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Šta kažete na ovo .. nemam statse 4 hand za stolom mi s njim

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No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.05

CO ($5)
BTN ($9.35)
SB ($14.81)
BB ($5)
UTG (-Hero) ($5.07)
MP ($5)

Dealt to UTG (-Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.07)

UTG (-Hero) raises to $0.2, MP & CO fold, BTN calls $0.2, SB & BB fold

Flop: (Pot is $0.47, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png
UTG (-Hero) bets $0.3, BTN raises to $0.8, UTG (-Hero) calls $0.5

Turn: (Pot is $2.07, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png
UTG (-Hero) checks, BTN checks

River: (Pot is $2.07, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png
UTG (-Hero) bets $1.55, BTN raises to $4.7, UTG (-Hero) calls $2.52 (All-In),

Showdown:
BTN shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png
(Flush, King high)

UTG (-Hero) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png
(Flush, Queen high)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $10.21 | Rake: $0.68

Winners:
BTN wins $9.53

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Ovo je standard... Nisi mogao bolje odigrati.

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roba59 napisao:

Ovo je standard... Nisi mogao bolje odigrati.

Nisam neki majstor, al kaj nije ovo bolje fold preflop na UTG?

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edo009 napisao:
roba59 napisao:

Ovo je standard... Nisi mogao bolje odigrati.

Nisam neki majstor, al kaj nije ovo bolje fold preflop na UTG?

Ne, na 6max je to standard open.

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Ovo sam krivo odigrao?

Čim sam betao 3$ shvatio sam da sam krivo odigrao i pomislio sam da ima ili veči par ili set ... tu sam trebao fold nakon sto me re-raiso na flopu ?
statsi su mu  (304) 17/12/2

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No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.02
Big Blind: $0.05

MP ($5)
CO ($5.23)
BTN ($8.35)
SB ($5)
BB (Idiot) ($5)
UTG ($7.82)

Dealt to BB (Idiot)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.07)

UTG folds, MP raises to $0.22, CO & BTN & SB fold, BB (Idiot) calls $0.17

Flop: (Pot is $0.46, 2 players)

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BB (Idiot) bets $0.3, MP raises to $0.85, BB (Idiot) raises to $3.01, MP raises to $4.78 (All-In), BB (Idiot) calls $1.77 (All-In)

Turn: (Pot is $10.02, 2 players, 2 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png

River: (Pot is $10.02, 2 players, 2 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png

Showdown:
MP shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png
(Full House, Sevens over Jacks)

BB (Idiot) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png
(Full House, Sevens over Queens)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $10.02 | Rake: $0.66

Winners:
BB (Idiot) wins $9.36

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trebo si 3betat preflop i onda cbetat flop pa zgurat na njegov raise

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