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1 Tema od kriss 07-04-2011 13:05:08

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izgradio sam roll za NL10 (250$) pa sam danas pokusao tamo odigrati jedan session koji nije bas dobro prosao
zavrsio sam 20$ u minusu... evo 2 handa na koja sam najvise izgubio... zanima me vase misljenje kako sam to trebao odigrati...

1. hand:
16/16/9.0 na 59 handova
3bet: 17.9
cbet: 86

2. hand:
25/25/1.3
fold vs. 3bet: 0/3
fold vs. cbet: 29

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

BTN ($11.87)
SB ($10)
BB ($10.84)
UTG ($10.69)
CO (kriss1991) ($10)

Dealt to CO (kriss1991)

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG folds, CO (kriss1991) raises to $0.4, BTN raises to $1.1, SB & BB fold, CO (kriss1991) calls $0.7

Flop: (Pot is $2.35, 2 players)

CO (kriss1991) checks, BTN bets $1.6, CO (kriss1991) raises to $4, BTN raises to $10.77 (All-In), CO (kriss1991) calls $4.9 (All-In),

Turn: (Pot is $20.15, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (Pot is $20.15, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Showdown:
BTN shows

(Two Pair, Aces and Sevens)

CO (kriss1991) shows

(Two Pair, Jacks and Sevens)

Total Pot: $20.15 | Rake: $1

Winners:
BTN wins $19.15

PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

SB (kriss1991) ($20.33)
BB ($10)
UTG ($16.32)
BTN ($10.65)

Dealt to SB (kriss1991)

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG raises to $0.4, BTN folds, SB (kriss1991) raises to $1.3, BB folds, UTG calls $0.9

Flop: (Pot is $2.7, 2 players)

SB (kriss1991) bets $1.6, UTG calls $1.6

Turn: (Pot is $5.9, 2 players)

SB (kriss1991) bets $4, UTG calls $4

River: (Pot is $13.9, 2 players)

SB (kriss1991) bets $13.43 (All-In), UTG calls $9.42 (All-In),

Showdown:
SB (kriss1991) shows

(One Pair, Aces)

UTG shows

(Straight, Ten high)

Total Pot: $32.74 | Rake: $1

Winners:
UTG wins $31.74

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2 Odgovor od hicpra 07-04-2011 13:19:02

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Re: NL10

ja isto sam probao nekoliko puta tejkat shot na NL10, ali je isto prelose zavrsilo..svaki put 2-3 buyina spusim i vracam se nize..sad sam jos morao nesto cashout, tak da nastavljamo s NL5..

meni je najgore sto stalno pokusavam izvoditi neke playeve kada prijedem vise i onda najebem..

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3 Odgovor od kriss 07-04-2011 13:21:56

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hicpra napisao:

ja isto sam probao nekoliko puta tejkat shot na NL10, ali je isto prelose zavrsilo..svaki put 2-3 buyina spusim i vracam se nize..sad sam jos morao nesto cashout, tak da nastavljamo s NL5..
meni je najgore sto stalno pokusavam izvoditi neke playeve kada prijedem vise i onda najebem..

ma meni nije do fancy playa nikako
samo me zanima dal je ovo standard (iako sumnjam) ili sam mogao bolje to odigrati
a sto se tice shota na NL10, pokusavat cu dok ne roknem na 200$ roll, onda nazad na NL5 pa tako u krug

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4 Odgovor od Andre_787 07-04-2011 13:24:14

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Re: NL10

cr za value ili blef u 1. handu? ako je za value sto ocekujes da te calla? TT je mozda jedini hand a to vjerovatno nikad ne shipa, ez fold na ship iako bi ja samo callao cbet

drugi hand bi malo vise betao flop i turn, hebiga za river, take note i ownaj ga poslije

Zadnji popravljao Andre_787 (07-04-2011 13:25:40)

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5 Odgovor od mr30dejo 07-04-2011 13:29:44

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Re: NL10

ja bi odigrao isto možda drugi hand agresivnije

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6 Odgovor od idrga 07-04-2011 13:37:29

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Re: NL10

foldaj više, nikako da naučiš

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7 Odgovor od kriss 07-04-2011 13:39:57

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Re: NL10

Andre_787 napisao:

cr za value ili blef u 1. handu? ako je za value sto ocekujes da te calla? TT je mozda jedini hand a to vjerovatno nikad ne shipa, ez fold na ship iako bi ja samo callao cbet
drugi hand bi malo vise betao flop i turn, hebiga za river, take note i ownaj ga poslije

cr je za value... zbog njegovog 3bet range-a (znam da je mali sample, al svejedno sam tako odigrao) mislio sam da bi tu mogao shipat neku kombinaciju sa 2 over karte i trefom ili mozda cak TT... jedina 3 jaca handa su QQ,KK,AA a ovih "slabijih" ima dosta vise i zato sam callao ship... jel ta logika ima smisla ili???

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8 Odgovor od Tilt 07-04-2011 13:44:20

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Re: NL10

Andre_787 napisao:

cr za value ili blef u 1. handu? ako je za value sto ocekujes da te calla? TT je mozda jedini hand a to vjerovatno nikad ne shipa, ez fold na ship iako bi ja samo callao cbet
drugi hand bi malo vise betao flop i turn, hebiga za river, take note i ownaj ga poslije

LOL za ovo

ako odlucis callat 3bet ok si odigro.. Nemoj nikad foldat ovo postflop.
2. OOP si i imas tipa sto 3beta 17% iako je mali sample, i jos ste CO na BTN, easy 4bet/call s JJ. Protiv takvog igraca ces tesko moc profitabilno igrat JJ OOP, ovdje si imao srece da si flopao nuts i obv da ne foldas...

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9 Odgovor od kriss 07-04-2011 13:46:58

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Re: NL10

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2. OOP si i imas tipa sto 3beta 17% iako je mali sample, i jos ste CO na BTN, easy 4bet/call s JJ. Protiv takvog igraca ces tesko moc profitabilno igrat JJ OOP, ovdje si imao srece da si flopao nuts i obv da ne foldas...

ovo zvuci korisno
hvala...

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10 Odgovor od Andre_787 07-04-2011 14:03:13

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Re: NL10

Koliko je pouzdano gledat ovako mali 3bet sample?

4bet/call, ne vjerujem da mu je range u toj situaciji siri od ovog. iako ne vjerujem da ce radit gluposti sa 99 i AQ

Hand 0: 50.184% 49.22% 00.96% 318570540 6243024.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 49.816% 48.85% 00.96% 316194324 6243024.00 { 99+, AQs+, AQo+ }

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11 Odgovor od Tilt 07-04-2011 14:17:48

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Re: NL10

pa da mu je range i puno manji i ako uzmes u obzir da ce cesto foldat na 4b i pokupit cemo 12bb 4b/call je isplativ

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12 Odgovor od Tilt 07-04-2011 14:18:48

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I nije pouzdano gledat ovako mal sample, al ovdje je dovoljno da villian nije nit, da bi nam s obzirom na pozicije 4b/c bio isplativ.. A sigurno nije nit

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13 Odgovor od roba59 07-04-2011 14:38:49

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Re: NL10

Ak 4betaš do 25 bb-a, moraš imati oko 40% da call bude isplativ.

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14 Odgovor od Andre_787 07-04-2011 14:44:11

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Tnx, nikad o tom ne razmisljam :card_spade

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15 Odgovor od Rear_Admiral 07-04-2011 15:31:50

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Re: NL10

U drugom handu mi se ne sviđa river ship, ja bi ovisno o igraču vecinom cek foldao ili callao mali bet.

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16 Odgovor od Tilt 07-04-2011 17:04:40

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Re: NL10

2. hand c/f > shove > c/c imo

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17 Odgovor od kriss 08-04-2011 02:03:09

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ovaj session je zavrsio sa 4$ plusa ali i dalje riba koliko hoces (sto je dobro, dok ih ne curi).... 3 handa na koja sam najvise spusio i 2 na koja sam najvise dobio iz ovog sessiona pa bih molio komentare ako nije problem...

1. hand:
63/19/7.3 na 27 handova
donk bet: 100 (3/3)

2. hand:
11/11/2.5 na 38 handova

3. hand:
50/26/2.2 na 53 handa

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

BTN (kriss1991) ($10)
SB ($10.05)
BB ($10)
UTG ($15.73)
MP ($6.04)
CO ($8.91)

Dealt to BTN (kriss1991)

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & MP fold, CO calls $0.1, BTN (kriss1991) raises to $0.35, SB folds, BB calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25

Flop: (Pot is $1.1, 3 players)

BB checks, CO bets $0.5, BTN (kriss1991) calls $0.5, BB folds

Turn: (Pot is $2.1, 2 players)

CO bets $0.5, BTN (kriss1991) raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.25

River: (Pot is $5.6, 2 players)

CO bets $6.31 (All-In), BTN (kriss1991) calls $6.31

Showdown:
BTN (kriss1991) shows

(Three of a Kind, Fives)

CO shows

(Straight, Seven high)

Total Pot: $18.22 | Rake: $0.89

Winners:
CO wins $17.33

PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

CO ($14.16)
BTN (kriss1991) ($10)
SB ($5.17)
BB ($8.78)
UTG ($10)
MP ($8.83)

Dealt to BTN (kriss1991)

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG folds, MP raises to $0.3, CO calls $0.3, BTN (kriss1991) calls $0.3, SB folds, BB calls $0.2

Flop: (Pot is $1.25, 4 players)

BB checks, MP bets $0.3, CO folds, BTN (kriss1991) raises to $1, BB folds, MP calls $0.7

Turn: (Pot is $3.25, 2 players)

MP checks, BTN (kriss1991) bets $2, MP raises to $5, BTN (kriss1991) raises to $8.7 (All-In), MP calls $2.53 (All-In),

River: (Pot is $18.31, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Showdown:
BTN (kriss1991) shows

(Three of a Kind, Sevens)

MP shows

(Flush, Ace high)

Total Pot: $18.31 | Rake: $0.9

Winners:
MP wins $17.41

PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

BB ($8.4)
BTN (kriss1991) ($10.51)
SB ($10.48)

Dealt to BTN (kriss1991)

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

BTN (kriss1991) raises to $0.4, SB folds, BB calls $0.3

Flop: (Pot is $0.85, 2 players)

BB checks, BTN (kriss1991) bets $0.5, BB calls $0.5

Turn: (Pot is $1.85, 2 players)

BB checks, BTN (kriss1991) bets $1.15, BB raises to $2.3, BTN (kriss1991) calls $1.15

River: (Pot is $6.45, 2 players)

BB bets $3.3, BTN (kriss1991) calls $3.3

Showdown:
BB shows

(Flush, King high)

BTN (kriss1991) shows

(One Pair, Kings)

Total Pot: $13.05 | Rake: $0.63

Winners:
BB wins $12.42

PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

CO ($10)
BTN ($10)
SB ($13.51)
BB (kriss1991) ($10)
UTG ($33.95)

Dealt to BB (kriss1991)

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG folds, CO raises to $0.4, BTN raises to $1.35, SB calls $1.3, BB (kriss1991) calls $1.25, CO calls $0.95

Flop: (Pot is $5.4, 4 players)

SB bets $12.16 (All-In), BB (kriss1991) calls $8.65 (All-In), CO & BTN fold,

Turn: (Pot is $22.7, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (Pot is $22.7, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Showdown:
SB shows

(High Cards, Jack Ten high)

BB (kriss1991) shows

(Three of a Kind, Jacks)

Total Pot: $22.7 | Rake: $1.12

Winners:
BB (kriss1991) wins $21.58

PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

CO ($13.71)
BTN (kriss1991) ($10)
SB ($5.57)
BB ($8.77)
UTG ($10)

Dealt to BTN (kriss1991)

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & CO fold, BTN (kriss1991) raises to $0.25, SB folds, BB calls $0.15

Flop: (Pot is $0.55, 2 players)

BB checks, BTN (kriss1991) bets $0.35, BB raises to $0.9, BTN (kriss1991) calls $0.55

Turn: (Pot is $2.35, 2 players)

BB checks, BTN (kriss1991) bets $1.45, BB raises to $3.2, BTN (kriss1991) calls $1.75

River: (Pot is $8.75, 2 players)

BB bets $4.42 (All-In), BTN (kriss1991) calls $4.42

Showdown:
BTN (kriss1991) shows

(Two Pair, Nines and Twos)

BB shows

(One Pair, Twos)

Total Pot: $17.59 | Rake: $0.85

Winners:
BTN (kriss1991) wins $16.74

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18 Odgovor od Rear_Admiral 08-04-2011 02:26:57

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Re: NL10

drugi hand veći raise flop, oko 1.2$, neće ti nitko foldati K ili FD.
prvi hand veći raise turn, riba ne folda A ili draw. slobodno do 2.5$
JJ hand kad si callao AI na flopu se mi nimalo ne sviđa, znat će ti se desiti da će netko od ove dvojice imati jači hand, a ovaj prvi rijetko kad ima takvo smeće s tako malo equitya ko sad, tako da je to fold po meni.
9To hand, nisi nikakve statse napisao, ali jako diskutabilan play, ne bih ja ovo radio bez dobrog reada.

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19 Odgovor od roba59 08-04-2011 10:26:24

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Radiš jako male betove/rejzove kad su drawovi dole, a kad dodje draw on radiš ogromne betove.

JJ hand: Cold call 3bet kao 4. igrač. Jel callaš za set? nemaš oddove. Callaš jer misliš da si jači? Ak da, onda bolje zguraj jer skoro nijedan flop ti neće biti preugodan 4way.
flop: callaš all in s još dvojicom iza sebe. Ak SB ima FD, flip si, a ak jedan od dvojice iza tebe ima overpar (što nije teško kad je 3betani pot) si drawing dead. Znači, ako si dobar moraš dobiti flip.

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20 Odgovor od kriss 08-04-2011 10:41:57

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JJ hand:
igrac sa 69 igra: 100/63/1.5; 3bet: 100; 4bet: 400 na 8 handova al svejedno ocito da je fish
btn: 14/10/0.5; 3bet: 8... kasnije je lik rekao da je foldao QQ...
ideja je bila ovakva: od tog igraca sto je shoveao sam znao da sam jaci jer je lik bas los, a taj nit na btn koji je igrao iza mene ukoliko nema AA (mozda KK) bio sam siguran da ce foldat, a tih 8% (iako je mali sample) je daleko od AA i KK iskljucivo... pokusao sam izgledati jako na tom flopu sa svojim callom i to sam uspio...

9T hand:
67/17/inf; c/r: 67 (2/3); wtsd: 78 na 12 handova; cbet: 100; fold vs. cbet: 0; donk: 67

*EDIT*
JJ call pf je bio za set...

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21 Odgovor od Tilt 08-04-2011 12:10:58

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kriss napisao:

*EDIT*
JJ call pf je bio za set...

Pa ocito da nije kad si ostavio stack bez seta

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22 Odgovor od kriss 08-04-2011 12:16:34

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Tilt napisao:

Pa ocito da nije kad si ostavio stack bez seta

ma znam... ideja je bila call za set, i fold na flopu ako ne dodje... ali kako se ruka odvila u totalno neocekivaom smjeru i ja sam neplanski odigrao

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23 Odgovor od roba59 08-04-2011 12:56:07

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Ali nemaš oddove za set...

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24 Odgovor od kriss 08-04-2011 13:15:03

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Ali nemaš oddove za set...

koliki raise sam mogao callati???
ovdje sam imao 1.25$ u pot od 3.20$ sa igracem iza sebe koji bi mogao callati...

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25 Odgovor od dfable 08-04-2011 13:19:47

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efektivni stek mora biti cca 15X iznos koji moraš callati (ako gledamo samo pot oddse)

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3 Odgovor od kriss 07-04-2011 13:21:56

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4 Odgovor od Andre_787 07-04-2011 13:24:14

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5 Odgovor od mr30dejo 07-04-2011 13:29:44

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8 Odgovor od Tilt 07-04-2011 13:44:20

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9 Odgovor od kriss 07-04-2011 13:46:58

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10 Odgovor od Andre_787 07-04-2011 14:03:13

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