Re: NL10

dfable napisao:

efektivni stek mora biti cca 15X iznos koji moraš callati (ako gledamo samo pot oddse)

U današnje vrijeme kad ljudi 3betaju svaki hand mislim da ni to nije dovoljno.

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Re: NL10

dfable napisao:

efektivni stek mora biti cca 15X iznos koji moraš callati (ako gledamo samo pot oddse)

pojasni, ne kontam te ovako... daj neki primjer ako nije problem...

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Re: NL10

kriss napisao:
dfable napisao:

efektivni stek mora biti cca 15X iznos koji moraš callati (ako gledamo samo pot oddse)

pojasni, ne kontam te ovako... daj neki primjer ako nije problem...

Recimo da imate svi 100bb

Hero: Raise $3
Villain: Raise $10

Moraš callati $7, znači da ti efektivni stack (najmanji stack od igrača koji su u potu) mora biti najmanje 15*7=$105. Pošto je njegov stack $90, a to je  manje od $105 big_smile znači da call nije isplativ.

To je samo matematički dio, treba u igri uzeti u obzir koliko puta češ naplatiti taj set ako ga pogodiš za full stack itd...

Edit: zajebo, ispravljam.

Zadnji popravljao dfable (08-04-2011 13:52:54)

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Re: NL10

dfable napisao:
kriss napisao:
dfable napisao:

efektivni stek mora biti cca 15X iznos koji moraš callati (ako gledamo samo pot oddse)

pojasni, ne kontam te ovako... daj neki primjer ako nije problem...

Recimo da imate svi 100bb

Hero: Raise $3
Villain: Raise $10

Moraš callati $7, znači da ti efektivni stack (najmanji stack od igrača koji su u potu) mora biti najmanje 15*7=$105. Pošto je njegov stack $90, a to je  manje od $105 big_smile znači da call nije isplativ.

To je samo matematički dio, treba u igri uzeti u obzir koliko puta češ naplatiti taj set ako ga pogodiš za full stack itd...

Edit: zajebo, ispravljam.

nema mi to nekog prevelikog smisla ili ga ja ne vidim, al ok smile
hvala u svakom slucaju big_smile

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Re: NL10

U cca 8% slučajeva češ pogoditi set ako se ne varam. Znači, na 1000 handova češ 92 puta izgubiti $7 = $644 a 8 puta češ dobiti $90 = $720. Znači da si dugoročno u plusu720-644 = $76.

Zadnji popravljao dfable (08-04-2011 15:12:45)

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Re: NL10

Sa pocket parom set pogodis na flopu oko 12% puta.


kriss napisao:

nema mi to nekog prevelikog smisla ili ga ja ne vidim, al ok smile

Ima smisla itekako.
Procitaj nesto na tu temu, imas i tu na forumu ili http://www.pokerlistings.com/strategy/c … ax-nolimit

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Re: NL10

evo izgleda da ce shot na NL10 biti uspjesan... pogledao sam verneerov climbing mt micro, sa NL10, pa sad pokusavam tako igrati... zasad ide ok, samo da se tako nastavi...

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Re: NL10

na sta bi vi tu stavili ovog igraca???

39/8/0.8; cbet:100; flod cbet vs. raise:100...

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

SB ($6.75)
BB (kriss1991) ($10.3)
UTG ($13.91)
BTN ($15.55)

Dealt to BB (kriss1991)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & BTN fold, SB raises to $0.2, BB (kriss1991) calls $0.1

Flop: (Pot is $0.4, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png
SB bets $0.6, BB (kriss1991) calls $0.6

Turn: (Pot is $1.6, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png
SB bets $0.6, BB (kriss1991) calls $0.6

River: (Pot is $2.8, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png
SB bets $5.35 (All-In), BB (kriss1991) calls $5.35

                                                                     
Total Pot: $13.5

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s ovakvim stupidnim lineom betanja, mislim da AA-KK-QQ, mozda JJ..

jedino me brine sto ima AF 0.8 i onda kad takav genijalac zgura, moras se zamisliti..

makar ako si postao ruku, mozda ti je pokazao neki king high flush big_smile

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hicpra napisao:

s ovakvim stupidnim lineom betanja, mislim da AA-KK-QQ, mozda JJ..

jedino me brine sto ima AF 0.8 i onda kad takav genijalac zgura, moras se zamisliti..

makar ako si postao ruku, mozda ti je pokazao neki king high flush big_smile

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

SB ($6.75)
BB (kriss1991) ($10.3)
UTG ($13.91)
BTN ($15.55)

Dealt to BB (kriss1991)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & BTN fold, SB raises to $0.2, BB (kriss1991) calls $0.1

Flop: (Pot is $0.4, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png
SB bets $0.6, BB (kriss1991) calls $0.6

Turn: (Pot is $1.6, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png
SB bets $0.6, BB (kriss1991) calls $0.6

River: (Pot is $2.8, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png
SB bets $5.35 (All-In), BB (kriss1991) calls $5.35

Showdown:
SB shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png
(Flush, King high)

BB (kriss1991) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png
(Flush, Queen high)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $13.5 | Rake: $0.66

Winners:
SB wins $12.84

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Re: NL10

rejzaj taj turn kad pogodiš protiv ovakvog lika,platit će sa puno slabijim od ovog šta je zapravo imao...

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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Re: NL10

RedDevil_7 napisao:

rejzaj taj turn kad pogodiš protiv ovakvog lika,platit će sa puno slabijim od ovog šta je zapravo imao...

inace bih, ali ovaj njegov fold cbet vs. raise me najvise jebo... nisam htio da mi folda, a ovako mi mozda beta i river i mislim da bi tako inace vise izvukao iz njega... da nije on betao river ja bih sigurno...

Zadnji popravljao kriss (13-04-2011 16:53:53)

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