Tema: 2day event - last hand

Zanima me samo mišljenje turnirskih igrača. Jel sam ovo trebao foldati?

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t400
Big Blind: t800
Ante: t100

MP+1 (t36371)
MP+2 (fakker11) (t22074)
CO (t173228)
BTN (t64838)
SB (t16154)
BB (t61583)
UTG (t25522)
UTG+1 (t32966)
MP (t94210)

MP+2 (fakker11) has M value 10.51

Dealt to MP+2 (fakker11)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: t2100)

UTG & UTG+1 & MP & MP+1 fold, MP+2 (fakker11) raises to t1900, CO & BTN & SB fold, BB calls t1100

Flop: (Pot is t5100, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4H.png
BB checks, MP+2 (fakker11) bets t2400, BB raises to t59583 (All-In), MP+2 (fakker11) calls t17674 (All-In),

Turn: (Pot is t45248, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4H.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png

River: (Pot is t45248, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png

Showdown:
MP+2 (fakker11) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png
(Two Pair, Kings and Sevens)

BB shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png
(Two Pair, Kings and Jacks)

                                                                     
Total Pot: t45248

Winners:
BB wins t45248




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Re: 2day event - last hand

Ja bi foldala,ali to su daleko veći limiti od onih koje ja igram,pa mi je tesko reci...Po mom iskustvu ovdje imaju ili top pair sa slabijim kickerom ili mid pair sa slabijim kickerom...Set nikada,rijetko bottom pair,rijetko draw(a ovdje je to samo 56)!Tako je barem na nizim limitima...Neznam kolko cesto se to radi sa airim na visim limitima...Nego,ako foldas,ostane ti vise od 20BB,tako da nije da bas moras callat...Ali nije ni neispravan taj potez!

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Re: 2day event - last hand

To je call jedino protiv fisha ili super LAG igrača. Ako BB ima donekle normalnu statistiku, ne bude to napravil s 78 ili sličnim handom.
Izgleda da te stavil na 2 overkarte i gurnul ovdje all-in da uzme pot odmah na flopu.
Nije pitanje što on ima, nego koji njegov hand ti možeš pobjediti - beata te s 44, 77+, Jx. Po meni, to su jedini njegovi handovi s kojima će napraviti push. Znači, beataš samo bluff.
Drugo, možda te iznenadio all-in, ali to je normalna igra s obzirom na odnos stackova i pota - BB ne može toliko malo raisati, a da ti nisi pot commited ako callaš. Recimo, s njegovim raisom do 6,5k i tvojim callom, pot je veći od tvog stacka, a ako ti gurneš all-in na flopu preko njegovog rejza, on te i tako mora platiti s TP s obzirom na to da riskira oko 30% stacka.

Ne brini, gluposti se događaju - npr. ja sam izletio s SCOOP 2-L eventa s TPTK na flopu u limpanom 4-way potu kad sam 4-betal all-in s AJ na J53 boardu protiv TAG-a, iako sam imal osjećaj kod njegovog 3-beta da ima set. Naravno, zval me u istom momentu i pokazal mi 33. Mrzim kad to napravim, imal sam dobar osjećaj i dobre statse s njim - bili smo za stolom skupa oko 250 handova.

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Re: 2day event - last hand

Ma pao sam s 40k chipova na 22k jer sam 2 sata bio card dead i to je malo utjecalo na moj call. A i malo sam bio umoran...  tongue

Bio sam na stolu gdje uopće nisam mogao krasti blindove. lijevo od mene je bio fish koji igra 35% handova i sve samo calla. A odmah lijevo od njega super agro lik koji je 3betao pun kurac.

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Re: 2day event - last hand

a da, to su oni superdry boardovi gdje jako malo repa, yadayada, ali iz iskustva se uvijek tu pojave s handom. vecini ljudi OOP calling range sa 25bba je prilicno usmjeren na handove tipa QJ, TJ, J9, QT, JK, KQ + mali parovi tako da ih ovaj board solidno pogada koliko god ti se dry cinio. mislim da je tu najbolji play check backat za control - board je dry i imas i backdoor FD i stvarno ti nije toliki problem dat free kartu

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Re: 2day event - last hand

pa mislim da si definitivno trebo foldat... jer tesko je ocekivati nakon sto na pravis c-bet a on gurne all in i jos na takvom boardu logicno je da ima jacka, a u krajnjem slucaju moze imati i 88,99,1010 sve te beata... ali razumijem te... umor... ja sam jucer isto igrao onaj 22$ event i zapravo me je ok islo i onda skuzim da nakon nekih 5 sati jos 4,5k igraca ima i zdonkam stack...

planiras jos igrati?

uzmem neke gandže i ovako kuliram
šta da radiš kad si bog nego da se glupiraš
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Re: 2day event - last hand

nemoj krivo shvatiti, nije da te napadam ili nešto sl... ali moram pitati... malo sam gledao kako igraš i vidio sam dosta po meni čudnih poteza (ali ok, nisam baš neki veliki znalac pa pretpostavljam da si ti to dobro odigrao), ali jedna situacija mi nikako nije jasna... na sb-u si, svi foldaju i ti potežeš AI s A4, blindovi su relativno mali... zašto si to napravio? nikako mi nije jasno...

za one koji ne znaju (calla ga bb s AQ, na turnu izlazi 4, na riveru A).

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Re: 2day event - last hand

Evo ti hand. Gurnuo sam jer mogu uzeti 645. A kad me calla večinom imam 25-35% šanse za dobiti. Trebao bi me callati s više od 15% handova da bi ovaj all in bio neisplativ.

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t125
Big Blind: t250
Ante: t30

CO (t13630)
BTN (t4180)
SB (fakker11) (t14018)
BB (t7191)
UTG (t5684)
UTG+1 (t11850)
MP (t12822)
MP+1 (t21145)
MP+2 (t10840)

SB (fakker11) has M value 21.73

Dealt to SB (fakker11)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png

Preflop: (Pot is: t645)

UTG & UTG+1 & MP & MP+1 & MP+2 & CO & BTN fold, SB (fakker11) raises to t13988 (All-In), BB calls t6911 (All-In)

Flop: (Pot is t21419, 2 players, 2 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png

Turn: (Pot is t21419, 2 players, 2 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png

River: (Pot is t21419, 2 players, 2 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png

Showdown:
SB (fakker11) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png
(Two Pair, Aces and Fours)

BB shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png
(One Pair, Aces)

                                                                     
Total Pot: t21419

Winners:
SB (fakker11) wins t21419

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