Tema: 2 primjera handova s MTT

Evo kako se radi stack na turniru, 2 primjera:

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t150
Big Blind: t300
Ante: t40

MP+2 (t21916)
CO (t21900)
BTN (t18165)
SB (Max14x) (t27778)
BB (t21039)
UTG (t4794)
UTG+1 (t32971)
MP (t54484)
MP+1 (t8835)

SB (Max14x) has M value 34.29

Dealt to SB (Max14x)
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Preflop: (Pot is: t810)

UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to t661, MP & MP+1 & MP+2 & CO fold, BTN calls t661, SB (Max14x) calls t511, BB folds

Flop: (Pot is t2643, 3 players)

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SB (Max14x) checks, UTG+1 bets t830, BTN calls t830, SB (Max14x) raises to t3300, UTG+1 calls t2470, BTN calls t2470

Turn: (Pot is t12543, 3 players)

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SB (Max14x) checks, UTG+1 checks, BTN checks

River: (Pot is t12543, 3 players)

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SB (Max14x) bets t8100, UTG+1 & BTN fold,

                                                                     
Total Pot: t12543

Winners:
SB (Max14x) wins t12543

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t100
Big Blind: t200
Ante: t25

CO (t5995)
BTN (t15372)
SB (t11054)
BB (Max14x) (t11369)
UTG (t22780)
UTG+1 (t10899)
MP (t9120)
MP+1 (t20145)
MP+2 (t1638)

BB (Max14x) has M value 21.66

Dealt to BB (Max14x)
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Preflop: (Pot is: t525)

UTG & UTG+1 & MP & MP+1 & MP+2 & CO fold, BTN raises to t550, SB folds, BB (Max14x) calls t350

Flop: (Pot is t1425, 2 players)

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BB (Max14x) checks, BTN bets t800, BB (Max14x) calls t800

Turn: (Pot is t3025, 2 players)

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BB (Max14x) bets t1800, BTN calls t1800

River: (Pot is t6625, 2 players)

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BB (Max14x) bets t3400, BTN folds,

                                                                     
Total Pot: t6625

Winners:
BB (Max14x) wins t6625

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Re: 2 primjera handova s MTT

imam i ja jedan dobar, ali imo sam read, a i board

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t400
Big Blind: t800
Ante: t100

SB (hero) (t34619)
BB (t38525)
UTG (t12765)
UTG+1 (t3680)
MP (t19446)
MP+1 (t16045)
CO (t15970)
BTN (t32591)

SB (hero) has M value 17.31

Dealt to SB (hero)
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Preflop: (Pot is: t2000)

UTG & UTG+1 & MP & MP+1 & CO & BTN fold, SB (hero) raises to t2400, BB calls t1600

Flop: (Pot is t5600, 2 players)

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SB (hero) bets t4000, BB calls t4000

Turn: (Pot is t13600, 2 players)

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SB (hero) bets t7600, BB folds

                                                                     
Total Pot: t21200

Winners:
SB (hero) wins t21200




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Re: 2 primjera handova s MTT

1. ne kuzim nikako... c/r prezentiras neki draw, ako imas OESD koji je dosao nikad neces checikrat u dvojicu zbog fd.. Ako imas set isto tako.. Ako imas Q9 betat ces turn, ali ces checirat river jer ti se K duplo i tvoj par ne vrijedi..

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Re: 2 primjera handova s MTT

ništ mi od ovog nema smisla, čini mi se ko pogađanje bude ili nebude prošlo

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Re: 2 primjera handova s MTT

1 hand pregrozan board nekaj tak izvodiš i to izvan pozicije ,opce nema smisla
2 hand ako si htio ukrast jedino ima smisla je check raise flop
3 hand od greena, preveliki bet preflop, preveliki bet na flopu, pot kontrola je bitan ,previše si nabildal pot

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Re: 2 primjera handova s MTT

1. hand je bio igran po feelingu - nije bilo uopće pitanje što ja imam ili što ja prezentiram nego što oni nemaju. U pitanju su bile 2 ribice.
Imao sam osjećaj da su slabi zbog toga sam c/r flop da uzmem pot tu.
Check na turnu je na tragu c/r na flopu, mislio sam da će bar jedan od njih donkati neki mali bet (tipa 15-20% pota) i tu sam mislio opet napraviti c/r.
Kad su oba chekirali iza mene, zaključio sam da ako ne dođe Xd na riveru dobra veličina beta uzima pot. Tako je i bilo, bet 2/3 pota i instant fold x2.

Drugi hand je čista prezentacija, call na flopu s SD, "value bet" turn i river kad je na turnu došla 4 straight board. Taj hand je igran protiv  rega koji je "dobro" protumačio moj bet na turnu i riveru kao value betove. Stvar je u tome da je ionako najvjerojatnije bio na 2 overkarte tipa AT, KT, QT... C-bet je bio standardan, radio ga je 100% handova gdje je bio PF raiser. S tim rangeom je jako teško platiti moj river bet na tako koordiniranom boardu.

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Re: 2 primjera handova s MTT

Max_VZ napisao:

1. hand je bio igran po feelingu - nije bilo uopće pitanje što ja imam ili što ja prezentiram nego što oni nemaju. U pitanju su bile 2 ribice.
Imao sam osjećaj da su slabi zbog toga sam c/r flop da uzmem pot tu.
Check na turnu je na tragu c/r na flopu, mislio sam da će bar jedan od njih donkati neki mali bet (tipa 15-20% pota) i tu sam mislio opet napraviti c/r.
Kad su oba chekirali iza mene, zaključio sam da ako ne dođe Xd na riveru dobra veličina beta uzima pot. Tako je i bilo, bet 2/3 pota i instant fold x2.

Drugi hand je čista prezentacija, call na flopu s SD, "value bet" turn i river kad je na turnu došla 4 straight board. Taj hand je igran protiv  rega koji je "dobro" protumačio moj bet na turnu i riveru kao value betove. Stvar je u tome da je ionako najvjerojatnije bio na 2 overkarte tipa AT, KT, QT... C-bet je bio standardan, radio ga je 100% handova gdje je bio PF raiser. S tim rangeom je jako teško platiti moj river bet na tako koordiniranom boardu.

1. hand - ajde da si siguran da jedan igrac nema nista , ali ici protiv dva igraca preko cetiri overa po meni je uzasno !
Nemoj se ljutiti ali shvatit cu ako si ovo odigrao na nekom 1$ buy-in sngo ili nekom fpp satelitu !
2.hand osim sto bih reraiseo prije flopa , nebih sigurno c/c flop i onda donkao odmah u njega i nakon njegovog calla blefas river!
oba dva handa cista sreca, postavi neki hand na kojem si dobio snap callom sa takvim blefovima!

Zadnji popravljao hendrixjimmi (20-08-2010 02:51:04)

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Re: 2 primjera handova s MTT

Zaboravi na čistu sreću, ja bih prije rekao dobar osjećaj za igru, a mislim da ova statistika to i pokazuje:
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/2788/stats2q.jpg

1. hand čista procjena - čim na moj c/r nijedan (od 2 ribice) nije napravio shove, znao sam da ako boja promaši uzimam taj pot.

2. hand - stavio sam tipa na velikog asa i znao da neće on (reg) moći callati river na 4straight board, pogotovo zato jer taj board opako pogađa moj calling range.

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Re: 2 primjera handova s MTT

Max_VZ napisao:

Zaboravi na čistu sreću, ja bih prije rekao dobar osjećaj za igru, a mislim da ova statistika to i pokazuje:
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/2788/stats2q.jpg

1. hand čista procjena - čim na moj c/r nijedan (od 2 ribice) nije napravio shove, znao sam da ako boja promaši uzimam taj pot.

2. hand - stavio sam tipa na velikog asa i znao da neće on (reg) moći callati river na 4straight board, pogotovo zato jer taj board opako pogađa moj calling range.

lijepo!

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