Tema: Što napraviti?

Protivnik je trenutno hot, držao se oko 70 MTT-ova oko nule i u zadnjih 20 dana napravio 70k profita (6. mjesto na SM između ostalog).
Inače igra 21/9 s AF 2.5. Što napraviti na njegov shove? Hand je s MTT 22$ (1R1A).

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t200
Big Blind: t400
Ante: t50

UTG (t25766)
UTG+1 (t25523)
MP (t18706)
MP+1 (t24571)
CO (t41736)
BTN (t7976)
SB (Max14x) (t42646)
BB (t4867)

SB (Max14x) has M value 42.65

Dealt to SB (Max14x)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: t1000)

UTG & UTG+1 & MP & MP+1 fold, CO raises to t800, BTN folds, SB (Max14x) raises to t1755, BB calls t1355, CO calls t955

Flop: (Pot is t5665, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png
SB (Max14x) bets t3200, BB folds, CO raises to t6400, SB (Max14x) calls t3200

Turn: (Pot is t18465, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png
SB (Max14x) bets t6000, CO raises to t33531 (All-In)...

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Re: Što napraviti?

Zašto tak mali 3bet preflop?

Zašto samo callaš flop?

Zašto donkaš turn?

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Re: Što napraviti?

Mali 3bet preflop jer sam htjel push od BB.
Samo call na flop zbog wet boarda - pravi board za monster draw. Nisam baš u nekoj prednosti protiv monster drawa da bi se išao stackoffati s stackom iz top10 (od preko 300 igrača u turniru).
Donkam turn zato jer hoću vidjeti gdje sam. Check/call na turnu i riveru me bude koštal više od tih 6k.

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Re: Što napraviti?

jesi već potrošio rebuy?

Just admitting you are a fish is a big step forward!
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Re: Što napraviti?

Max_VZ napisao:

Donkam turn zato jer hoću vidjeti gdje sam. Check/call na turnu i riveru me bude koštal više od tih 6k.

I, vidiš li gdje si?
Taj block bet ti ne izgleda baš jako tako da možda i semi-blefira.
Ja ga ne bih provjeravao.

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Re: Što napraviti?

Max_VZ napisao:

Samo call na flop zbog wet boarda - pravi board za monster draw. .

pa bas zato sto je wet zguras

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Re: Što napraviti?

Max_VZ napisao:

Donkam turn zato jer hoću vidjeti gdje sam.

Hmmm... Sve ok što si napisao osim ovog.

Htio si vidjeti gdje si, a kad te zgurao neznaš gdje si (pošto postaš hand)...
Čemu onda taj bet ako neznaš gdje si.

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Re: Što napraviti?

Već smo deep, 241 igrač ostao od 899, trenutno oko 20. mj. po stacku. Uzeo sam rebuy odmah po registraciji, nisam koristio add-on jer sam imao stack duplo veći od prosjeka.

@delboy
Da, vidim sve što sam trebao vidjeti. Ako i gura na bluff/semi-bluff, moj hand je preslab na tom boardu da bih ga plaćao.

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Re: Što napraviti?

roba59 napisao:
Max_VZ napisao:

Donkam turn zato jer hoću vidjeti gdje sam.

Hmmm... Sve ok što si napisao osim ovog.

Htio si vidjeti gdje si, a kad te zgurao neznaš gdje si (pošto postaš hand)...
Čemu onda taj bet ako neznaš gdje si.

Zato jer ću još manje znati gdje sam ako c/c turn, a čeka me ista situacija na riveru. Na njegovshove insta-fold i gotovo.
Uostalom, taj hand je idealno poslužio za play 20-ak handova poslije.

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Brky napisao:
Max_VZ napisao:

Samo call na flop zbog wet boarda - pravi board za monster draw. .

pa bas zato sto je wet zguras

Jesi normalan? Stack na MTT 4 puta veći od avg. protiv isto tolikog stacka?

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Re: Što napraviti?

Max_VZ napisao:

Zato jer ću još manje znati gdje sam ako c/c turn, a čeka me ista situacija na riveru. Na njegovshove insta-fold i gotovo.
Uostalom, taj hand je idealno poslužio za play 20-ak handova poslije.

Zato zguraš flop i odmah znaš gdje si.. smile

Ja bi ti ovde zgurao sve što sam i rejzao flop.

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Ovaj hand je odigran 20-ak handova poslije, protiv istog igrača. To se zove vraćanje čipova uz kamatu za posuđivanje.
A i lijepo je vidjeti protivnika drawing dead kad si all-in.

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t300
Big Blind: t600
Ante: t50

CO (t26816)
BTN (t26973)
SB (t18106)
BB (t25421)
UTG (t56646)
UTG+1 (t22563)
MP (t7776)
MP+1 (Max14x) (t28291)
MP+2 (t2712)

MP+1 (Max14x) has M value 20.96

Dealt to MP+1 (Max14x)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8D.png

Preflop: (Pot is: t1350)

UTG raises to t1200, UTG+1 & MP fold, MP+1 (Max14x) calls t1200, MP+2 & CO & BTN & SB fold, BB calls t600

Flop: (Pot is t4350, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png
BB checks, UTG bets t1800, MP+1 (Max14x) calls t1800, BB folds

Turn: (Pot is t7950, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png
UTG bets t4100, MP+1 (Max14x) raises to t10200, UTG raises to t53596 (All-In), MP+1 (Max14x) calls t15041 (All-In),

River: (Pot is t58432, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png

Showdown:
UTG shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png
(One Pair, Nines)

MP+1 (Max14x) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8D.png
(Three of a Kind, Eights)

                                                                     
Total Pot: t58432

Winners:
MP+1 (Max14x) wins t58432

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Re: Što napraviti?

ja bi shipo flop

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Re: Što napraviti?

roba59 napisao:
Max_VZ napisao:

Zato jer ću još manje znati gdje sam ako c/c turn, a čeka me ista situacija na riveru. Na njegovshove insta-fold i gotovo.
Uostalom, taj hand je idealno poslužio za play 20-ak handova poslije.

Zato zguraš flop i odmah znaš gdje si.. smile

Ja bi ti ovde zgurao sve što sam i rejzao flop.

Slažem se, ali sa manjim stackom ili protiv manjeg stacka. Ne s tako velikim stackom ili protiv stacka iste veličine. Meni je poslije folda na turnu ostao stack duplo veći od avg.
Nije isto taj hand igrati s 20-30bb ili s 100bb.

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onda mi nije jasno zasto hoces igrat 3betani pot OOP 100bb deep sa handom koji ima ogromne reversed impliede...

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Tilt napisao:

ja bi shipo flop

Ti bi riskirao monster stack s tim? 37k bi gurao da možda uzmeš pot od 15k u toj situaciji.
Bez obzira na top2, cijeli je niz handova koji me već beata ili ima u flipu.
Flip sa 100bb stackom? Hvala, ne bih.

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onda mi nije jasno zasto hoces igrat 3betani pot OOP 100bb deep sa handom koji ima ogromne reversed impliede...

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Tilt napisao:

onda mi nije jasno zasto hoces igrat 3betani pot OOP 100bb deep sa handom koji ima ogromne reversed impliede...

Ah, bilo mi je malo dosadno, a igrao sam puno pretight za big stack.

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e onda stisnes zube, zguras, i kazes nh i gotovo.. Ak prezivis imas 200bb i ogromne sanse za ft... On tu moze imat AA,KK, fd, sd, AQ, J9,Q9... Ti gubis jedino i iskljucivo od seta, a posto imas 2 para malo je vjerojatno da ima set.. Iako su turniri specificni jer osim pota riskiras i turnament live, vrhunski igraci uvijek gledaju svaki EV+ potez.. Tako da se ne trebas bojat shipat protiv drawa, jer iako ce bit gusto u prednosti si.. A mislis da ce njemu bit lako callat s drawom? jer i on ima odlican stack i ne zeli riskirat..

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Evo, opet me ulovila dosada pa sam ovo odigrao OOP. Kao što rekoh, igram pretight za big stack. na tom stolu sam imao prije ovog handa stats 7/0 na 47 handova. Bottom par je očito monster... big_smile  cool  lol

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t600
Big Blind: t1200
Ante: t125

CO (t30383)
BTN (t37882)
SB (Max14x) (t65512)
BB (t21853)
UTG (t55985)
UTG+1 (t68218)
MP (t23135)
MP+1 (t27771)
MP+2 (t36190)

SB (Max14x) has M value 22.4

Dealt to SB (Max14x)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png

Preflop: (Pot is: t2925)

UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to t2625, MP & MP+1 & MP+2 fold, CO calls t2625, BTN folds, SB (Max14x) raises to t7200, BB folds, UTG+1 calls t4575, CO calls t4575

Flop: (Pot is t23925, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png
SB (Max14x) checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks

Turn: (Pot is t23925, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png
SB (Max14x) bets t12000, UTG+1 & CO fold,

                                                                     
Total Pot: t23925

Winners:
SB (Max14x) wins t23925

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Re: Što napraviti?

Max_VZ napisao:
Brky napisao:
Max_VZ napisao:

Samo call na flop zbog wet boarda - pravi board za monster draw. .

pa bas zato sto je wet zguras

Jesi normalan? Stack na MTT 4 puta veći od avg. protiv isto tolikog stacka?

a dobro, onda mos fino callat i donkat turn pa vidit gdje si kad te raisa, nije bed

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Tilt napisao:

e onda stisnes zube, zguras, i kazes nh i gotovo.. Ak prezivis imas 200bb i ogromne sanse za ft...

Stvar je jednostavna - malo sam se poigrao, ali s tim handom u toj situaciji sigurno neću ići riskirati turnir. U tom trenutku sigurno ne mogu pobjediti turnir, ali ga mogu izgubiti, a to nije način na koji se igraju velika polja. Protiv stacka iste veličine sigurno neću gurati i nadat se da će dobro završiti.

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Brky napisao:
Max_VZ napisao:
Brky napisao:

pa bas zato sto je wet zguras

Jesi normalan? Stack na MTT 4 puta veći od avg. protiv isto tolikog stacka?

a dobro, onda mos fino callat i donkat turn pa vidit gdje si kad te raisa, nije bed

I poslije donkanja ako ne prođe još uvijek mi ostaje stack duplo veći od prosjeka

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Re: Što napraviti?

Izletio 113., 5 mjesta prije love s ovim handom:
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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t1000
Big Blind: t2000
Ante: t200

UTG+1 (t38358)
MP (t23002)
MP+1 (Max14x) (t65510)
MP+2 (t79405)
CO (t42283)
BTN (t85283)
SB (t69394)
BB (t15321)
UTG (t30235)

MP+1 (Max14x) has M value 13.65

Dealt to MP+1 (Max14x)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: t4800)

UTG & UTG+1 & MP fold, MP+1 (Max14x) raises to t4500, MP+2 raises to t11500, CO & BTN & SB & BB fold, MP+1 (Max14x) raises to t19999, MP+2 raises to t79205 (All-In), MP+1 (Max14x) calls t45311 (All-In),

Flop: (Pot is t135420, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8D.png

Turn: (Pot is t135420, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8D.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7S.png

River: (Pot is t135420, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7S.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png

Showdown:
MP+1 (Max14x) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png
(Two Pair, Kings and Eights)

MP+2 shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png
(Two Pair, Aces and Eights)

                                                                     
Total Pot: t135420

Winners:
MP+2 wins t135420

Pot je bio za 7.-10. mjesto na turniru po stacku.

Najgore je to da se sve idealno posložilo, situacija je bila kao naručena - 5 handova prije imam AA, 3-betam i tip folda; 3 handa prije imam JJ, tip me 3-beta light, ja 4-betam light i foldam na njegov shove.

U ovom handu smo ponovili točne betove kao iz handa s JJ, išao sam na isto i dobio shove koji sam tražio, ali naravno mora on flopati A kad sam ja all-in.

Pere me i dalje crna serija na velikim MTT - nisam odavna naletio s KK/QQ na AA, ali zato mi zadnjih 10-ak dana redovito protivnici love aseve kad ih uspijem uvući all-in preflop s velikim parom vs Ax.

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Max_VZ napisao:

Izletio 113., 5 mjesta prije love s ovim handom:

Showdown:
MP+1 (Max14x) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png
(Two Pair, Kings and Eights)

MP+2 shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png
(Two Pair, Aces and Eights)

                                                                     
Total Pot: t135420

Winners:
MP+2 wins t135420


a..sta...rekli bi ti ovde: bili ste 50-50 big_smile

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