Tema: Molim analizu handa..

Evo ovako, već sam čuo jednu dobru analizu od jednog lika, ali ne škodi čuti više mišljenja. Mislim da je sve jasno iz handa, jedino mogu reći da je BB zbilja lose. Napravio je par lose calleva u tako kratkom periodu pa sam u biti reshove-o u nadi i da cu dobiti call od neke srednje ruke.

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Full Tilt Poker, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t20
Big Blind: t40
Ante: t5

BB (t5012)
UTG (t7772)
UTG+1 (bocapive) (t4584)
MP (t1152)
MP+1 (t7169)
MP+2 (t6628)
CO (t5000)
BTN (t5504)
SB (t7233)

UTG+1 (bocapive) has M value 43.66

Dealt to UTG+1 (bocapive)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: t105)

UTG folds, UTG+1 (bocapive) raises to t145, MP raises to t1147 (All-In), MP+1 & MP+2 & CO & BTN & SB fold, BB calls t1107, UTG+1 (bocapive) raises to t4579 (All-In), BB calls t3432

Flop: (Pot is t10370, 3 players, 2 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png

Turn: (Pot is t10370, 3 players, 2 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png

River: (Pot is t10370, 3 players, 2 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png

Showdown:
BB shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png
(Full House, Queens over Kings)

UTG+1 (bocapive) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png
(Two Pair, Kings and Queens)

MP shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png
(Full House, Kings over Queens)

                                                                     
Total Pot: t10370

Winners:
BB wins t6864
MP wins t3506

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Re: Molim analizu handa..

Po meni si trebao call nakon raisea  MPa, to sto je BB loose preflop ne znaci da je i postflop, JJ su stvarno gadni za igrati u 3way potu ako ih ne pogodis. Uglavnom da si napravio call umjesto shove ocito je da bi jos bio u turniru samo kraci za 1k chipova. Ali lako je sad bit pametan kad je gotovo  smile

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Re: Molim analizu handa..

Ako je ovaj fish i znas da nece tako odigrat AA,KK,QQ ok je zgurat preko da uzmes dead money..

call je los

Zadnji popravljao Tilt (03-12-2010 14:07:46)

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Re: Molim analizu handa..

nema tuj neke velike mudrolije
dva dečka su trik karte za manje iskusne.

uglavnom, što se tiče ručnih parova, za sve od QQ pa na dolje treba se dobro razmislit o praćenju dva Ili više all inova.

taj sam savijet davno dobila online od profesionalce, i toga se držim.

KK i AA su karte za zvati 99%posto preflop all inova,

QQ , ako ima dva all ina prije tebe, zvanje ovisi o vrsti i načinu igre tvojih protivnika.

JJ je klimav čak i na Heads upu a kamoli u ovakvoj situaciji

naučit ćeš to s vremenom

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Re: Molim analizu handa..

bassetbaby napisao:

nema tuj neke velike mudrolije
dva dečka su trik karte za manje iskusne.

a kako vi iskusni to odigravate

bassetbaby napisao:

KK i AA su karte za zvati 99%posto preflop all inova,

ma je, pogledaj big game

When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
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Re: Molim analizu handa..

kiklop napisao:
bassetbaby napisao:

nema tuj neke velike mudrolije
dva dečka su trik karte za manje iskusne.

a kako vi iskusni to odigravate

bassetbaby napisao:

KK i AA su karte za zvati 99%posto preflop all inova,

ma je, pogledaj big game


u čemu je problem?

samo kažem da se je to varljiv i opasan ručni par i to mnogi koji su se par put opekli znaju, i na to mislim pod "iskusni "

šta se odma braniš ko da sam prstom uperila u tebe i nazvala te neiskusnim.

ja te uopce ne znam....

Zadnji popravljao bassetbaby (03-12-2010 16:36:20)

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Re: Molim analizu handa..

omgomgomgomgomgomg

Aj nemojte pisat pizdarije ak ne znate samo ce ljudi krivo naucit

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Re: Molim analizu handa..

sick, neshvaćaj ozbiljno previše šta ja pišen

sprdan se

When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
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Tilt napisao:

omgomgomgomgomgomg

Aj nemojte pisat pizdarije ak ne znate samo ce ljudi krivo naucit

nemas blage

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Re: Molim analizu handa..

znam

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Tilt napisao:

znam

lol

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Re: Molim analizu handa..

Jabba i Tilt thnx za postove.

@bassetb - tu se ne radi o praćenju 2 ili više all ina, već o nečem drugom..

Ovi navedeni momci su ukratko analizirali hand sa danim okolnostima sto sam i tražio.

@Tilt - tu sam upravo razmisljao o dead money-u, a ako dobijem call od BB-a range je velik (89s+, 88+) takvim igracima. Dakako isključio sam flat sa QQ+ jer nema taj mozak za to..  Tako ako ovaj prvi ima hand, barem bi side bio moj, naravno bez klasičnih runner runnera.  lol

Zadnji popravljao dopgun (03-12-2010 17:18:09)

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Re: Molim analizu handa..

Ja bi isto zguro preko ovog fisha, jer SDW zbilja govori da je fish, protiv shorta imas flip i dosta je dead moneya tako da mislim da ti je play ispravan, jbg natkupio te sa 3 outa !

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Analiza : Preflop

UTG si sa JJ i rejzaš nešto malo više od 3 BB, MP te reraisea all-in sa 1147 chipova.
Po Sklanskyu i Mallmuthu imaš group 1 hand(A-A, K-K, Q-Q, J-J, A-Ks) iako si veliki underdog protiv ostalih ruku iz Group 1 kategorije(A-A,K-K,Q-Q),zato i je pocket Jacks jedna od najtežih ruku za igrat jer si u većini slučajeva veliki underdog.
Ja osobno jako,jako rijetko ili nikad ne ulazim u preflopu all-in sa pocket Jacks koji je njateža ruka za igrati u Holdemu uz AQ,AK.

Pošto su blindovi  20/40  ovakav reraise  MP-a je dovoljnja informacija prosječnom igraču da MP ima u većini slučajeva premium hand u ovom slučaju group.2. Hand AK-offsuit jer nijedan prosječno dobar igrač neće reraisati all-in tvoj UTG-1 raise osim ako nema premium hand jer u principu raisovi sa UTG-1 se trebaju najviše respektirati u Holdemu jer je to čisti znak i informacija da UTG-1 ima jaku ruku i da je calling hand range,a kamoli raise hand range jako uzak.

Drugo All-In od strane MP-a se ne može opravdati činjenicom da ima short-stack s kojim mora ići u shove-fold mode jer on to nije.
Ima 30 BB velik stack(M-value 17,72) i all-in od strane MP-a bi bio apsolutno nepotreban sa marginal handom.U većini slučajve MP ima premium hand.
U ovom slučaju je tvoj call opravdan što se tiče MP-a jer si blagi favorit  JJ(56.65%) vs AK-o(42.95%).

Ali tvoj reraise all-in na BB call je diskutabilan.Ja osobno bi foldao JJ i još više suzio hand range i zvao sam minimalno QQ,al opet ti najbolje znaš koliko loose je BB igrao do te ruke i kakva je kvaliteta njegove igre do tad.Ako je fish  all-in je opravdan.

Najlošije u cijelom handu je igrao  BB koji je sa mogu reći trash handom QJ-offsuit zove raise i reraise all-in.
Tu se vidi da BB ne poznaje ni najapsolutnije osnove pokera.Range ruku s kojim možeš zvati raise i reraise All-in je jako jako uzak(AA,KK,QQ,AK-s) tako da je njegov call jako jako loš.

Zadnji popravljao Grbina (09-12-2010 19:46:55)

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Da ne otvaram temu. Znači stol je totalno lud 5.5$ rebuy
Prvi hand

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t60
Big Blind: t120

SB (t20845)
BB (t3000)
UTG (t2880)
UTG+1 (t7215)
UTG+2 (t1920)
MP (t2760)
MP+1 (t11490)
MP+2 (RearAdmiral_) (t2125)
CO (t10710)
BTN (t7710)

MP+2 (RearAdmiral_) has M value 11.81

Dealt to MP+2 (RearAdmiral_)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: t180)

UTG & UTG+1 fold, UTG+2 calls t120, MP calls t120, MP+1 folds, MP+2 (RearAdmiral_) raises to t600, CO & BTN fold, SB calls t540, BB folds, UTG+2 raises to t1800, MP raises to t2760 (All-In), MP+2 (RearAdmiral_) calls t1525 (All-In), SB folds, UTG+2 calls t120 (All-In)

Flop: (Pot is t7525, 3 players, 3 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png

Turn: (Pot is t7525, 3 players, 3 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png

River: (Pot is t7525, 3 players, 3 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png

Showdown:
UTG+2 shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png
(Two Pair, Aces and Queens)

MP shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png
(Two Pair, Aces and Fours)

MP+2 (RearAdmiral_) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png
(Four of a Kind, Aces)

                                                                     
Total Pot: t7525

Winners:
MP wins t635
MP+2 (RearAdmiral_) wins t6890


Doslovno svi su retardirani, ali guraju top 30% ruku, rijetko slabije. Pa me zanima što mislite o slijedećem handu. Mislim da sam morao callati, ali nisam htio riskirati cijeli turnir za 40% šanse, ali opet, cilj mi je final table od 1500 ljudi. Stvar je u tome da nemam još razvijenu psihološku stranu za igranje za final table, nego sam pretajt.

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t60
Big Blind: t120

BTN (t20245)
SB (t2880)
BB (t2880)
UTG (t7215)
UTG+1 (t2135)
MP (t11490)
MP+1 (RearAdmiral_) (t6890)
MP+2 (t10710)
CO (t7710)

MP+1 (RearAdmiral_) has M value 38.28

Dealt to MP+1 (RearAdmiral_)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: t180)

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t120, MP calls t120, MP+1 (RearAdmiral_) raises to t600, MP+2 folds, CO calls t600, BTN raises to t20245 (All-In), SB calls t2820 (All-In), BB folds, UTG+1 calls t2015 (All-In), MP calls t11370 (All-In), MP+1 (RearAdmiral_) & CO fold

Flop: (Pot is t38070, 4 players, 4 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4H.png

Turn: (Pot is t38070, 4 players, 4 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4H.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png

River: (Pot is t38070, 4 players, 4 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5H.png

Showdown:
BTN shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png
(Flush, Ace high)

SB shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png
(Flush, Nine high)

UTG+1 shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png
(One Pair, Sixes)

MP shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png
(One Pair, Sixes)

MP+1 (RearAdmiral_) has
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png
(Flush, Queen high)

                                                                     
Total Pot: t38070

Winners:
BTN wins t38070




Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Re: Molim analizu handa..

Dobro si odigrao nema se šta reći.

QQ je predobra ruka(Group 1 premium hand) i preisplativa dugoročno da bi foldalo u takvoj situaciji pogotovo za ludim stolom gdje igrači igraju ko manijaci prelabavo tako da si dobro odigrao jer si na kraju se ispostavilo bio favorit u ovom 5 way all-in potu iako se nekad ali jako,jako rijetko može čak i foldati QQ posebno u situaciji ako igraš na nitfest stolu na kojem možeš dobiti dovoljnu količinu informacija koje te mogu uvjeriti da neki od tvojih protivnika drži u ruci AA,KK .


Ovo su bile šanse u ovom  preflop All-Innu  :  AKo(24.51%) vs QQ(38.86%) vs AJs(11.46%) vs AQo(2.83%) vs 88(20.75%)

Zadnji popravljao Grbina (11-12-2010 23:16:47)

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Foldao sam big_smile
Zato sam i napisao da sam krivo odigrao. Barem sam još u turniru i dobro se držim. Ali znam da je fold loš.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Rear_Admiral napisao:

Foldao sam big_smile
Zato sam i napisao da sam krivo odigrao. Barem sam još u turniru i dobro se držim. Ali znam da je fold loš.

Lol nisam ni skužio samo sam gledao koje imao kakve karte na showdownu,a još si sebe postao zadnji po redosljedu pa sam mislio da postaš pobjedničku ruku.

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