Tema: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

Ok, znači da zakotrljam ovo... već neko vrijeme igram, trenutno se gubim između 5 i 10NLa, a želja i sveti cilj mi je odjebat svaki posao i ustajanje u 6 ujutro kako bi mogo platit neke osnovne račune i počet izvlačit neke ozbiljnije cifre sa poker stolova

i zato sam odlučio otvorit ovaj projekat ponajviše zbog toga da si stvorim naviku postanja hendova, grafova, uspjeha i neuspjeha, i kako bi sebe natjerao da više vremena posvetim učenju i kreiranju zdravijeg i oštrijeg mindseta što se pokera tiče, jer sam svjestan nekih svojih grešaka i nedostataka u svojoj igri ali ih možda neznam najbolje ispraviti... i tu računam na svaku vašu pomoć, komentare i savjete  smile

stvari stoje ovako, izbuildao sam roll od 350$ od 0 igrajući isključivo 6max NL uz pomoć nekih mikro FPPova.
najveći problemi sa kojim se borim je to da se znam nać u mindless sessionu i onda černobil izgleda kao dječija igra, klikanje jer je fora, nema on ništa i slično su misli vodilje u tim trenucima, ako podimim stack zbog ovog ili onog razloga taj sesh se pretvara u lov na isti i tu je disko mode on.
drugi (ne nužno na toj poziciji) je taj što nemam previše vremena za grind i znam previše tog slobodnog vremena lad't jaja i često su ti moji sešni osuđeni na satipo - dva igre, nerijetko i slackam koji dan u tjednu hmm
treći postaje očit pogledom na graf koji ću postat dolje
shvaćam da uvod gore zvuči kao puka želja obzirom na volume koji uvaljujem u sve ovo ali upravo zato sam se i odlučio na ovo
dolje ću postat statse i graf za nl5 i nl10 (kojeg sam doduše odigrao samo 4k hendova) ali ajde.
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hcs_image_uploader/uploads/70000/3500/73824/thumb/p1602bel601es81brd16gtdkt7ju1.jpg
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hcs_image_uploader/uploads/70000/3500/73824/thumb/p1602bfb3i1mqj1l221nc35k216ck1.jpg
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Zadnji popravljao OuterEgo (18-05-2011 22:08:17)

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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

GL sa projektom  wink
Naslov ti je odlican btw  big_smile

when you feel like quitting think about why you started..
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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

villain igra 32/27 2.6 i 3bet 28... btn3bet 30 i Cbet 100% ako callam 3bet
koji je ovdje best play?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

CO ($10.98)
BTN ($15.06)
SB ($8.3)
BB ($10.78)
UTG ($11.02)
MP (Alejandro797) ($10.36)

Dealt to MP (Alejandro797)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG folds, MP (Alejandro797) raises to $0.3, CO folds, BTN raises to $0.9

Flop: (Pot is $1.35, 4 players)


Turn: (Pot is $1.35, 4 players)


River: (Pot is $1.35, 4 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $1.35 | Rake: $1.35

Det. Frank Drebin: We're sorry to bother you at a time like this, Mrs. Twice. We would have come earlier, but your husband wasn't dead then.
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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

nikakav info na ovom igraču...
nisam još posložio impresije sa 10nla ali mi se čini da je igra i dalje poprilično straight forward.. vaša iskustva?
sa čime vilalin ovo radi?  vs moj utg rejz znači ako imam A ne foldam ovdje, eventualno 3betam ili shoveam. a ako je tako onda ovaj bet izgleda kao da upravo to i želi i predstavlja ili 34, 22 ili 55. iako i većinu TPTK mislim da će mi RRflop i callat turn/river. ali bord je 3 to a strejt pa zapravo i nemogu dat free card?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

BTN ($7)
SB ($6.81)
BB ($10.54)
UTG ($11.52)
MP (Alejandro797) ($17.36)
CO ($7.18)

Dealt to MP (Alejandro797)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG folds, MP (Alejandro797) raises to $0.3, CO calls $0.3, BTN calls $0.3, SB & BB fold

Flop: (Pot is $1.05, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png
MP (Alejandro797) bets $0.7, CO folds, BTN raises to $1.4

Turn: (Pot is $3.15, 2 players)


River: (Pot is $3.15, 2 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $3.15 | Rake: $3.15




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1 hand: vazno je na kojem sample-u villan ima te statse. Ja to gotovo uvijek foldam pf, OOP smo, ne flopamo dobro a ne mozemo callat za set mining.
2 hand. Villanov range moze bit pp, Ax handovi, zrak, ma svasta valjda jer igraci na NL10 nemaju bas smislene lineove tako da ja ne bi nikad pomislio foldat AK tu. Ja bi ili min 3betao pa zgurao turn, ili callao pa gay betao turn i zgurao river.

when you feel like quitting think about why you started..
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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

Tonac napisao:

1 hand: vazno je na kojem sample-u villan ima te statse. Ja to gotovo uvijek foldam pf, OOP smo, ne flopamo dobro a ne mozemo callat za set mining.
2 hand. Villanov range moze bit pp, Ax handovi, zrak, ma svasta valjda jer igraci na NL10 nemaju bas smislene lineove tako da ja ne bi nikad pomislio foldat AK tu. Ja bi ili min 3betao pa zgurao turn, ili callao pa gay betao turn i zgurao river.

zaboravio. statsi su na 130hendova, i nije neko mjerilo ali tip je 3betao skoro svaki moj open kad je bio IP

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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

4bet i stack protiv tog manijaka. Nemoj Oop pomisljati igrati postflop u 3betanima.
Drugi hand bi callao i CR turn, ako ne beta bi jako betao river.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Rear_Admiral napisao:

4bet i stack protiv tog manijaka. Nemoj Oop pomisljati igrati postflop u 3betanima.
Drugi hand bi callao i CR turn, ako ne beta bi jako betao river.

naravno za podcrtano, zapravo sam i po stoveu mali favorit samo me zanima dal protiv takvog tipa igrača zgurat ovog tipa henda ili? tj generalno kako odigrat protiv takvog agroa?

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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

Nemozes fulati ako zguras, ali ako cesto ima premium handove kad zguras onda ocito nije agro nego ami karte.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

mislim da sam ovaj hend odigrao krivo pa me zanima vaše mišljenje...
SB je nit 14/11 af15 na 250ruku, solidan
BTN je dosta fishy, mali sempl 40 ruku 62/26 af0.9
callao sam preflop jer imam poziciju nad nitom i ako ću ga brejkat onda će to biti sa drawhendom i flopom kao što je ovaj, iako ni sa 8 možda nemam imao najbolji hend
fishev limpcall je vjerojatno neki weak A ili manji konektori

as played, CL flop ok ili budući da sam već u poziciji u kojoj sam želio bit rejz jer smo 200bbdeep?
turn ako SB beta nastavljam ako misam ili?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

BB (Alejandro797) ($24.52)
UTG ($10)
MP ($4.6)
CO ($13.83)
BTN ($16.36)
SB ($11.2)

Dealt to BB (Alejandro797)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & MP & CO fold, BTN calls $0.1, SB raises to $0.4, BB (Alejandro797) calls $0.3, BTN calls $0.3

Flop: (Pot is $1.2, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png
SB bets $0.7, BB (Alejandro797) calls $0.7, BTN calls $0.7

Turn: (Pot is $3.3, 3 players)


River: (Pot is $3.3, 3 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $3.3 | Rake: $3.3

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Zadnji popravljao OuterEgo (27-05-2011 11:07:05)

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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

Fold pre, nitovi nikad ne izoliraju fisha iz blindova sa marginalnim handovima.

obrisao sam post slucajno, jer sam htio editirat. Ja bi callao flop i foldao vecinu turnova.

Zadnji popravljao Tilt (27-05-2011 11:08:54)

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Tilt napisao:

Fold pre, nitovi nikad ne izoliraju fisha iz blindova sa marginalnim handovima.

obrisao sam post slucajno, jer sam htio editirat. Ja bi callao flop i foldao vecinu turnova.

+1. Da je neki ne tolko nit villian onda 3b>call.

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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

fpld preflop, postflop si u sendwichu izmđu agro lika (naravno kad igra samo jake handove)  i caling stationa, ni za jednog neznaš di si, znači gledaš da flopaš str, kak često bu to?
čak i na JJx flopu nit ak je solidan znat će di je, a nad  fishom nemaš poziciju...


kaj se postflopa tiće ima milijun loših scenarija za tebe, a ne vidim puno dobrih možda neki cooler, npr ovdije calaš i dojde K ili 8 kak teško buš si to naplatil (4 za str board), često kad dobiješ akciju splitaš ili gubiš, ma ne bi uopće trebal biti u toj situaciji, a i imaš fisha u poziciji 4 put u orbiti, čemu žurba

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help me on zis one... villain je 26/12 AF1.2 na 150hendova
kako bi odigrali u ovoj situaciji? cijeli hend? (ja mislim da sam pogriješio sa premalim betom na turnu)
ja sam ga tu bio stavio na nekakav jaki draw tipa Ks7s ili As7s, možda 6d7d, jer mislim da mi set na turnu check shovea ili donka a nikad ne check calla... njegov line river? insta shoveao je
šta vi mislite?
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

UTG ($10.61)
MP ($12.92)
CO ($6.55)
BTN (Alejandro797) ($18.1)
SB ($11.93)
BB ($16.96)

Dealt to BTN (Alejandro797)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2D.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & MP & CO fold, BTN (Alejandro797) raises to $0.25, SB folds, BB calls $0.15

Flop: (Pot is $0.55, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png
BB checks, BTN (Alejandro797) bets $0.3, BB raises to $0.8, BTN (Alejandro797) raises to $2.6, BB calls $1.8

Turn: (Pot is $5.75, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png
BB checks, BTN (Alejandro797) bets $3.5, BB calls $3.5

River: (Pot is $12.75, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png
BB bets $10.61 (All-In)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $23.36 | Rake: $23.36

Zadnji popravljao OuterEgo (03-06-2011 15:40:42)

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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

Bah, mislim da je ovo uvijek fold cak i sa samo 100bb deep a kamoli ne sa skoro 200bb. Ono sto mi je zapelo za oko je njegov gap izmedju PFR i VPIP, sto nam govori da on tu cesto moze imati 2pair i set, kao i 78 za straight.

Pitanje je samo da li on vidi taj river kao scare card ili ne. Ja osobno ne bih foldao i nabacio bi smile od uha do uha da mi pokaze flush jer to znaci da debelo overpaya svoje drawove i da kad te ubuduce raisa u nekom turn ili river spotu ima nuts.

Naravno, ne bih previse razbijao glavu. Ako bi na turnu odlucio da shipam bilo koji river osim pariranog, onda ga moram i callati jer ispadne isti kurac. Right?

Pravi šubara lovac voli lov, žene i novac.
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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

villain igra 30/26 na 50 ruku, neznam koliko je to bitno u ovom spotu..
kako bi odigrali ovaj hend? Call flop pa fold turn ako turn dođe draw? ili jam flop?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

SB ($11.63)
BB ($3.02)
UTG (Alejandro797) ($10.81)
CO ($12.62)
BTN ($15.77)

Dealt to UTG (Alejandro797)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG (Alejandro797) raises to $0.3, CO & BTN fold, SB calls $0.25, BB folds

Flop: (Pot is $0.7, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3D.png
SB checks, UTG (Alejandro797) bets $0.5, SB raises to $1.5

Turn: (Pot is $2.7, 2 players)


River: (Pot is $2.7, 2 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $2.7 | Rake: $2.7




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OuterEgo napisao:

Call flop pa fold turn ako turn dođe draw

+1

ovo mi se cini kao najbolji play

EDIT: ali sada kada malo razmislim najbolje c turn i ako na riveru ne dode niti jedan draw opet samo call
naravno sve se mijenja ako dode 3 onda znas da imas nuts i mozes shipat

Zadnji popravljao dunjari1965 (05-06-2011 18:46:22)

Pocetnici cesto overplejaju visoke parove preflop
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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

dunjari1965 napisao:
OuterEgo napisao:

Call flop pa fold turn ako turn dođe draw

+1

ovo mi se cini kao najbolji play

EDIT: ali sada kada malo razmislim najbolje i c/c turn i ako na riveru ne dode niti jedan draw opet c/c

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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

Ja bi ovdje reraiso flop i to dosta negdje 4.3 tako da mogu shipat turn ako dođe blank.

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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

Da, tako neki raise i stack. Da je neki agresivac bi mozda samo callao.

Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

3betaj flop i get it in,nikakav call...
ako on calla turn shipas i gg..

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

Stogod napravili na ovom flopu osim folda je +EV.

Ovisno o nasem protivniku, 3bet je veci +EV, a call manji +EV. Da objasnim:

Broj scare cardova na turnu ja za nas jako malen. Mozemo reci da su to 3x9, 3xA i 8 flush outova. U tih 8 flush outova sam uracunao 9d i Ad. Ako smo misljenja da ima tocno QT, onda mu dodajemo jos 2xQ i 2xT kao moguce outove koji nas counterfeitaju, ali ne bih na to obracao preveliku pozornost.

Protiv NL10 rega ili fisha bih uvijek 3betao. Razlog je najosnovniji moguci. Stavljamo pare unutra kad smo way ahead i otvaramo njemu mogucnost da napravi gresku. Otud proizlazi nas profit.

Protiv zbilja dobrog thinking regulara sa ni sam neznam kojeg limita bih callao vjerojatno 99% puta iz razloga koje sam naveo gore. Njegovih 12/14 scare cardova na turnu su nista u usporedbi sa ostatkom decka koji ide debelo nama u korist. I imamo poziciju. Easy game, easy money.

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prešao sam na 10NL, BR je 480$, imam par pitanja vezano za igru općenito....
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hcs_image_uploader/uploads/70000/6000/76437/thumb/p161mv4buqjggvhlmlk1mtctp1.png

volume i dalje nije velik, ali to je osim vremenom vezano i za to što igram 4 stola (+ povremeno neki mtt) jer se tako najbolje osjećam i neznam dal uopće sada pokušavat povećat broj stolova jer ovako sam sad ko doma, možda probat sesh dva pa vidjet kako ide...
primjetio sam da sam Agame do sat ipo vremena igre, nakon toga počinjem dosta padati, možda neki savjet kako kvalitetno podignut minutažu bez da se gubim? jer kad imam vremena onda mi na svakih sat ipo ne gine jedno 20-30min chillanja kako bi bio fit za nastavak sesha
bih li trebao što mijenjat (statsi) ili ne? budući da mi za sad ide neloše?
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hcs_image_uploader/uploads/users/3000/2593/tmp/thumb/p161n23281gpug7619scd7ithv1.png

Zadnji popravljao OuterEgo (08-06-2011 09:23:32)

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Re: chillout, i've got this (ili: 7 do 3? not-4-me projekat)

jedna ovako, iz bunara:
PFR je 26/20 na 50ak henova, dosta je agresivno krenuo za stolom, imao sam dojam da je odigrao skoro svaki hend, openao sa svih pozicija, callao IP... Cbetao 71%, berelao svaki put kad je bio PFR, jel najbolje ovo pustit pa ga trapat i pustit mu da zdonka sve kad imam hend?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

SB ($11.75)
BB (Alejandro797) ($11.12)
UTG ($6.27)
CO ($6.12)
BTN ($24.83)

Dealt to BB (Alejandro797)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG folds, CO calls $0.1, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.4, BB (Alejandro797) raises to $1.2, CO folds, SB calls $0.8

Flop: (Pot is $2.5, 2 players)

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SB bets $1.5

Turn: (Pot is $4, 2 players)


River: (Pot is $4, 2 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $4 | Rake: $4

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