Re: Micros

da slažem se...betao sam QQ hand 1/2 pota i dobio call od 88, malo wtf al ok tongue
hvala na odg, drugi puta ćemo biti pametniji   cool

Zadnji popravljao RedDevil_7 (03-08-2011 23:17:28)

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Re: Micros

imam ga na preko 700 hendova, regular je i igra 16/15/4.9  cbet 77
AFQ flop 55%, turn 45%, river 22%
na flopu i turnu sam trljao rukama  hmm
smrdi mi na top njegovog rangea al dal mogu foldat vrh svojeg??

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Re: Micros

info gore zajebao sam tongue

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

CO ($8.34)
BTN ($11.24)
SB (Hero) ($11.76)
BB ($9.8)
UTG ($10)
MP ($22.36)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & MP & CO fold, BTN raises to $0.3, SB (Hero) calls $0.25, BB folds

Flop: (Pot is $0.7, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png
SB (Hero) checks, BTN bets $0.65, SB (Hero) calls $0.65

Turn: (Pot is $2, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png
SB (Hero) checks, BTN bets $1.15, SB (Hero) calls $1.15

River: (Pot is $4.3, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png
SB (Hero) checks, BTN bets $2.85

                                                                     
Total Pot: $7.15 | Rake: $7.15




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Re: Micros

Ma ni ne pomisljas na fold. Turn nije best card ever jer izbacuje KT sa kojim ce value betat samoga sebe ali ok. Ovako odigrano river je super easy call.
Si dobro razmislio zasto ovo callas pre flop? inace kad callas pf a pogotovo OOP moras otprilike znat kamo ocekujes value post flop odnosno zasto je taj call +EV play.
Da pojasnim, ako ovaj villan (16/15) jednako tight otvara na BTN-u kao iz EP odnosno ima malen steal neznam koliko profitabilno mozes igrat KQ pretpostavljajuci da villan nema vecih post flop leakova. Ocu rec da ako se ne osjecas ugodno callat ovo mozda si morao drugacije odigrat hand od pocetka.

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Re: Micros

nije super easy call uopće. Od value handova beatamo jedino KJ, a bluff handova nema toliko da bi bio super easy call.
Ja bih callao.

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Re: Micros

kad je foldano do njega otvara 23% s buttona...dovoljno wide da mi defend s KQ bude profitabilan.
Neću ga 3betat jer ima 77% fold na 3bet i neće sa slabijim nikad callat..
Flop je za mene nuts i easy call, neću ga otjerat s rejzom jer ima solidan turn AFQ i vjerojatno će 2 barrelat hendove tipa QJ,AQ,AJ.

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Re: Micros

squeezao sam jer su oba igrača igrala dosta loose, nemam baš neke readove na njima, kad cutoff rejza i sb calla činio mi se kao ok spot za squeeze, cutoff je igrao dosta loose 34/26 na 40 hendova a SB isto veoma slično 31/23 na 85 hendova i postoji velika šansa da pokupim pot odmah preflop, cutoff folda a SB calla što me iznenadilo, stavio sam ga na nešto tipa 99, TT,  AQ, ...flopam par, imam neki showdown value ali neću checkirat behind u slučaju da ima 88, 99, TT koje će foldat ako ne na flopu onda na turnu 100% vremena...
kako bi vi odigrali da se nađete u ovom spotu? Turn shove ili fold?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

BTN ($10)
SB ($10.36)
BB (Hero) ($10)
UTG ($10)
MP ($10)
CO ($9.68)

Dealt to BB (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7S.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & MP fold, CO raises to $0.35, BTN folds, SB calls $0.3, BB (Hero) raises to $1.1, CO folds, SB calls $0.75

Flop: (Pot is $2.55, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png
SB checks, BB (Hero) bets $1.4, SB calls $1.4

Turn: (Pot is $5.35, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png
SB checks, BB (Hero) bets $2.6, SB raises to $5.2

River: (Pot is $13.15, 2 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $13.15 | Rake: $13.15




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Re: Micros

UTG 18/13/0.4, s utga otvara čak 17% isto ko i na BTN-u, imam ga na 300 hendova
CUTOFF igra 18/15/4.2  3bet 8, fold to 3 bet 80 na 800 hendova
je dobar ovaj donk/shove line ili bi možda bolji bio call da pokušamo utg-a zadržat unutra pa na blank check/shove?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

CO ($12.24)
BTN ($10)
SB (Hero) ($11.04)
BB ($15.81)
UTG ($10)
MP ($14.08)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG raises to $0.3, MP folds, CO calls $0.3, BTN folds, SB (Hero) calls $0.25, BB folds

Flop: (Pot is $1, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png
SB (Hero) bets $0.6, UTG calls $0.6, CO raises to $2.4, SB (Hero) raises to $10.74 (All-In)

Turn: (Pot is $14.74, 3 players, 1 all-in)


River: (Pot is $14.74, 3 players, 1 all-in)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $14.74 | Rake: $14.74




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Re: Micros

neznam kolko je dobar sqz jer nemamo puno handova na protivnicima odnosno neznamo koliko puno foldaju na 3bet i nije nam bas neki  hand za sqz jer imamo blokere samo za JJ. mislim da je sizing dosta mal, ja bi vise skvizao.

nebi foldao s dva para postflop, ship it and take note ako ima nesto specoolative

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Re: Micros

hand 1.

veći sqz, do 1,4 bar...

ostalo wp, turn guram na njegov minr, ak ima KJ ili 44 jbg cooler, al ima i neke fd-e, sd-e i random bluffove, ne možeš foldat

hand 2.

jako lijepo odigrano, ali bih donko nešto više

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Re: Micros

niveaformen napisao:

hand 1.

veći sqz, do 1,4 bar...

ostalo wp, turn guram na njegov minr, ak ima KJ ili 44 jbg cooler, al ima i neke fd-e, sd-e i random bluffove, ne možeš foldat

+1

2. hand
Nebi donkao jer je open rejzer odmah iza nas. Ako on ne cbeta, možda će CO cbetati. Da je CO open rejzer, onda je bolji donk jer ak on chekira, odmah se okreče turn što ne želimo.
Ako jedan od njih ima rejzing hand, zgurat ćete se svakak na flopu.

as played
Callanje rejza da UTG-a zadržiš u handu ne dolazi u obzir. Time daješ free karte ili jako dobre oddove nekome tko ima draw.

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Re: Micros

BvB smo pa mi je teže foldat nego inače, koji je najbolji play protiv unknowna?jel uvijek fold?
na 85 handova igra 12/11/aff 11.0

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

CO ($7.7)
BTN ($10)
SB (Hero) ($10.05)
BB ($12.44)
UTG ($12.99)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & CO & BTN fold, SB (Hero) raises to $0.3, BB calls $0.2

Flop: (Pot is $0.6, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4H.png
SB (Hero) bets $0.4, BB raises to $1.8, SB (Hero) calls $1.4

Turn: (Pot is $4.2, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4H.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7D.png
SB (Hero) checks, BB bets $2.94

River: (Pot is $7.14, 2 players)


                                                                     
Total Pot: $7.14 | Rake: $7.14




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Re: Micros

kad si vec odlucija preuzet inicijativu onda nastavi betat turn...

luđa
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Re: Micros

ST_Mangup napisao:

kad si vec odlucija preuzet inicijativu onda nastavi betat turn...

http://www.optikaogi.hr/
big_smile

@Red ovako odigrano c/shove turn mi se najvise sviđa. Na flopu bi i 3bet bio dobar ali ako "znamo" da villan beta turn c/c flop i c/shove turn mi je puno drazi. Vs unknowna mislim da bi bio skloniji 3betat flop.

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Re: Micros

Tonac napisao:
ST_Mangup napisao:

kad si vec odlucija preuzet inicijativu onda nastavi betat turn...

http://www.optikaogi.hr/
.

?

luđa
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141

Re: Micros

You didn't get the joke?  hmm
Link je od neke ocne optike u Splitu, zelio sam sugerirat da nisi dobro vidio kad si to napisao jer hero nije preuzeo inicijativu, pogledaj opet akciju na flopu..
btw I hate explaining jokes,  their not funny once you explain them

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Re: Micros

ST_Mangup napisao:
Tonac napisao:
ST_Mangup napisao:

kad si vec odlucija preuzet inicijativu onda nastavi betat turn...

http://www.optikaogi.hr/
.

?

Nakon detaljnog proucavanja i provodjenja analize ove situacije napokon sam dosao do zakljucka i mislim da imam odgovor na tvoj upitnik..Buduci da Crveni Vrag7 nije preuzeo inicijativu nigdje u ruci,vec je imao inicijativu od starta preflop,a bb tj. villain tj. protivnik je preuzeo inicijativu,Tonci je na temelju tvog posta zakljucio da si nesto krivo vidio..I na temelju toga,u najboljoj namjeri ti je ostavio link od optike ogi sugerirajuci ti tako da bi bilo dobro da napravis nesto po pitanju vida, predlozivsi ti sjajno mjesto za to..

Sad necu ulaziti u detalje,mozda se tvoj post odnosio na neku drugu ruku,ili je mozda Tonci nesto drugo mislio, iz moje perspektive nebitno..Ali nisam htio da ostanes zbunjen pa sam mislio da bi bilo sjajno da ti skinemo taj upitnik s bulje...

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Re: Micros

Jbg spor sam..

http://cache.sharenxs.com/images/wz/cabb/-c/ai/ai/b-/ljenjivac.jpg

I'm so broke, I can't even pay attention.
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Dr.Greenthumb napisao:

Jbg spor sam..

Spor si, ali analiza zasluzuje pohvalu  big_smile

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Re: Micros

pa akop je vec beta 1. flop, znaci da je preuzea inicijativu, bb je tribeta, ja bi osobno 4 bet, al ako je vec platija onda san mislija da nastavi sa inicijativom, ali on je chekira turn, mislija san da beta 1.
lapsus,, mnisan niti skuzija salu, a kamlo da se ljutin.. sve ok.. evo dok piskaran aa u mene u ovoga kk i naravno padne k. aaaaaaaaa...
znaci najbolji play bi bija 4 bet flop i na njegov bet na turnu gurnit all in??? ili san i dalje corav  sad

luđa
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Re: Micros

nakon flopa villanov rejz nije 3bet nego 2bet jer nema blindova kao preflop di su oni prvi bet. tako je protivnik na flopu napravio 2bet i ako je hero rejzao to bi tek bio 3bet.
i na turnu villan ima inicijativu a ne hero jer je villan bio agresor na flopu.

u vezi handa mislim da na flopu vec moramo imat plan za dalje, ako foldamo dalje onda bolje odma foldat jer nema smisla foldat na blank turn koji ce villan betat skoro uvijek, a ako cemo shipat onda bi ja call flop i c shove turn valjda radi ovo s nekim losim asevima...

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Re: Micros

Tonac napisao:

@Red ovako odigrano c/shove turn mi se najvise sviđa. Na flopu bi i 3bet bio dobar ali ako "znamo" da villan beta turn c/c flop i c/shove turn mi je puno drazi. Vs unknowna mislim da bi bio skloniji 3betat flop.

u slučaju da shovea flop na naš 3bet, call obv..?
uzeo sam taj line c/c flop i c/shove turn...

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Re: Micros

RedDevil_7 napisao:

u slučaju da shovea flop na naš 3bet, call obv..?

Da da, mislio sam da se podrazumijeva pa nisam napisao.

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Tonac napisao:

ovako odigrano c/shove turn mi se najvise sviđa. Na flopu bi i 3bet bio dobar ali ako "znamo" da villan beta turn c/c flop i c/shove turn mi je puno drazi. Vs unknowna mislim da bi bio skloniji 3betat flop.

this... mislim da je ovo poprilicno standardan hand...

A svako gubi bar ponekad, ali nikad Boža zvani Pub

Re: Micros

protiv unknowna callate ili foldate ovo?

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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.20

BTN ($21.22)
SB (Hero) ($64.09)
BB ($20)
UTG ($13.58)
CO ($20)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.3)

UTG folds, CO raises to $0.7, BTN folds, SB (Hero) calls $0.6, BB folds

Flop: (Pot is $1.6, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png
SB (Hero) checks, CO bets $1.45, SB (Hero) calls $1.45

Turn: (Pot is $4.5, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png
SB (Hero) checks, CO bets $3.4, SB (Hero) calls $3.4

River: (Pot is $11.3, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3S.png
SB (Hero) checks, CO bets $6.45

                                                                     
Total Pot: $17.75 | Rake: $17.75




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