Tema: 2NL - QQ Very Fast Play on Flop

Why i did this?
This is true bad player. 50/40/50 but only 4 hands so thats not reason. But in this 4 hands i take him 1$ by going all in preflop me QQ, he AJ. Then he take me 2$ me AK, he AA and then this hand happen.

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.01
Big Blind: $0.02

SB ($1.21)
BB ($1.99)
UTG ($5.8)
MP ($2.71)
CO (dadaas) ($5)
BTN ($2.76)

Dealt to CO (dadaas)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.03)

UTG calls $0.02, MP folds, CO (dadaas) raises to $0.1, BTN & SB & BB fold, UTG calls $0.08

Flop: (Pot is $0.23, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png
UTG bets $0.22, CO (dadaas) raises to $4.9 (All-In), UTG calls $4.68

Turn: (Pot is $10.03, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png

River: (Pot is $10.03, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png

Showdown:
UTG shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png
(Straight, Jack high)

CO (dadaas) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png
(Two Pair, Queens and Eights)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $10.03 | Rake: $0.5

Winners:
UTG wins $9.53




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Re: 2NL - QQ Very Fast Play on Flop

i?

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Re: 2NL - QQ Very Fast Play on Flop

jebeno

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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Re: 2NL - QQ Very Fast Play on Flop

Zaključio si da je jako loš igraš na osnovu 4 handa, od kojih je 2 foldao, a 2 bio all in s tobom s dobrim handovima?

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Molio bih komentare. Jel ovo uredu? Jel bi zbog 2Nl morao mozda drugacije? Postao sam jos ejdan slican hand i nekako mi dosad ovo neide.

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roba59 napisao:

Zaključio si da je jako loš igraš na osnovu 4 handa, od kojih je 2 foldao, a 2 bio all in s tobom s dobrim handovima?

Ne zakljucio sam da je los na prvom handu jer je isao all in s AJ. Nakon toga sam ga stavio da je na tiltu sada. Pa mi je pokazao Aseve. I onda je dosao hand QQ pa sam zakljucio da bih sad ja mogao pokazat na flopu da sam u tiltu (a nisam jer imam overpair pa me on plati s AJ, mada mislim da me bi i bez tilta...)

A moje je pitanje dali ja previse tu razmisljam na 2NL?

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Da, previše nagađaš na osnovu 4 handa.
AJ hand; napisao si da je išao all in za 1$. To je 50 bb-a i donekle je standard (ovisi kako je akcija išla).

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dadaas napisao:

Why i did this?
This is true bad player. 50/40/50 but only 4 hands so thats not reason. But in this 4 hands i take him 1$ by going all in preflop me QQ, he AJ. Then he take me 2$ me AK, he AA and then this hand happen.

____________________                  

PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.01
Big Blind: $0.02

SB ($1.21)
BB ($1.99)
UTG ($5.8)
MP ($2.71)
CO (dadaas) ($5)
BTN ($2.76)

Dealt to CO (dadaas)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.03)

UTG calls $0.02, MP folds, CO (dadaas) raises to $0.1, BTN & SB & BB fold, UTG calls $0.08

Flop: (Pot is $0.23, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png
UTG bets $0.22, CO (dadaas) raises to $4.9 (All-In), UTG calls $4.68

Turn: (Pot is $10.03, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png

River: (Pot is $10.03, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png

Showdown:
UTG shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png
(Straight, Jack high)

CO (dadaas) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png
(Two Pair, Queens and Eights)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $10.03 | Rake: $0.5

Winners:
UTG wins $9.53





a ben tip ako ima AJ fold mu je na flopu super easy sa ovim playom, zasto na njegov bet od 0,22 ti reisaš 4.5$???. problem je sta na nl2 ce callirati isto i da mu betiras malo tako da radije male betove jer ako ima flush draw nema folda.

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Re: 2NL - QQ Very Fast Play on Flop

Ok hvala. Dakle tako je bolje po malo pa odlucit onda kasnije sto. Izgleda da mi ej tu teklo... A tece mi i na jos nekoliko pozicija, samo moram nac gdje.

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previse se leveliras za nl 2, ubacujes neku psihološku igru, pokazivanje da si na tiltu, zavaravanja wtf? koda igras nl 5k, a sve to vs ribe koja je usla sa pola blinda

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dadaas napisao:
roba59 napisao:

Zaključio si da je jako loš igraš na osnovu 4 handa, od kojih je 2 foldao, a 2 bio all in s tobom s dobrim handovima?

Ne zakljucio sam da je los na prvom handu jer je isao all in s AJ. Nakon toga sam ga stavio da je na tiltu sada. Pa mi je pokazao Aseve. I onda je dosao hand QQ pa sam zakljucio da bih sad ja mogao pokazat na flopu da sam u tiltu (a nisam jer imam overpair pa me on plati s AJ, mada mislim da me bi i bez tilta...)

A moje je pitanje dali ja previse tu razmisljam na 2NL?

uzmi par dana bez pokera samo da procitas neke osnovne stvari. easy game baluga, dynamic full ring od splita su dobre stvari. oni ne vide dalje od svojih karata i levelas se bezveze

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+1 za easy game. vjerovatno najbolja knjiga ikad za pocetak. ali ne procitat je nego naucit, ove godine sam bustao u ljeto jer sam se levelirao ko imbecil nakon odlaska sa rr-a na normalnu mrezu shvatio sam koliko sam los. ova knjiga mi je spasila igru totalno i sad sam opet u usponu... znam da sam podvlacio ko kreten sve iz nje i napokon igram kak spada

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daj cliffs za nas lijene big_smile

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sta nema nikakvog smisla, jer nemozes moc beatat na nekom manjem sampleu nl25, a ovako igrat na nl2, ocito ti ne uspjeva to sta pokusavas na nl2, prestani tako, ako ocito mozes bolje. igraj std, ako ti je do nadigravanja odi na vece levele. Ovo vise nema smisla.

oprosti

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dadaas napisao:

Molio bih komentare. Jel ovo uredu? Jel bi zbog 2Nl morao mozda drugacije? Postao sam jos ejdan slican hand i nekako mi dosad ovo neide.

ne, nebi zbog nl2 mora drugacije, jer ovo nebi ni na nijednom drugom levelu drugacije zavrsilo, problem je sta ti pokusavas izvuc neki svemirski nacin beatanja enela dva. Prestani to radit. Vec si tamo zdonka roll koji je dobar za nl25.  Red Alert

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kako ga bombardira chilin smile)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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Mu-mu mu mu mu mu mu!
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mozda cini pogresno, al stvarno kuzim zast je popizdio  smile dadas posta takve handove i nakon svih savjeta ljudi sto bitaju small stakes kao roba npr, stalno ista govna stavlja, pa jebeš mi sve da svaki put kad flopa tpgk samo bet-folda 3 streeta bio bi u plusu na nl 2, ne mogu vjerovat da se netko tak moze levelat

Zadnji popravljao BoyFromBalkans (16-10-2011 21:40:43)

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da ovo levelanje mi je jos jedan leak. Kod mene tece na sve strane. Ali nedam se. Mogu rec da sma tilt smanjio, odnosno nisam smanjio nego sma ga stavio pod kontrolu. Istina bog da jos uvijek tiltam ali je to sad pod kontrolom kakvom takvom.

A ocito me muci fold gumb i ovo leveliranje. Ovo su samo 2 handa a ima ih jos. Da posaljem sad jos jedan hand kako sam se zlevelirao s jednim fishom koji igra 50/2/0 (preflop) bolje da ne pokazem jer me sram. Znam ja svoje greske. Ali to su greske koje ce se izgleda jos duuuugo popravljat. A vasi savjeti mi dobro dodju. Bilo kakvi su, makar su to i pljuske, mozda mi to i treba da se malo saberem i ulozim jos vise truda.

Uglavnom vidim 2 preporuke pa sad idem citat: easy game baluga
Procitao sam onaj Veerenerov topic i onu knjigu o tiltu gdje je jako dobro napisano neki Tommy Angelo je napisao i to mi je JAAAKO pomoglo da ne tiltam (odnosno da ne gubim lovu na tiltu i smanjim losu igru) ali sad me jos zbunjuje hand reading i stvarno kako beatat 2NL. I da imam na papiru uspod monitora s velikim slovima napisano VALUE BET VALUE BET VALUE BET. DONT BLUFF. Al ocito si moram napisat to na celo. Ili procitat sto ej to bluff a sto value bet.

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Stavi ovdje svoje statse iz HEM-a samo NL2, po pozicijama. Ako ti je to SN sa PS-a onda stvarno mislim da nešto krivo radiš.

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http://www.leeroo.com/view-900_ScreenHu … _20.44.jpg
prije godinu dana kada sma pceo, samo sam sjeo i igrao po svojem.

http://www.leeroo.com/view-911_ScreenHu … _20.46.jpg
prije 4 mjeseca kada sam procitao i pregledao nekolicinu videa i isprobavao stvari

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zadnji mjesec i pol gdje sam mislio da sam spreman a nisam...

Zadnji popravljao dadaas (17-10-2011 21:53:12)

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Snimi neki video 45-60min i stavi na forum. Nisi stavio baš sve statse, ali po ovome šta vidim ne bi ti graf trebao izgledati onako kako izgleda.

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Pa graf na 2NL mi je -200$ negdje. I izgleda ovako:

http://www.leeroo.com/view-259_Amount_W … ands_P.png

Nije mi jasno kak crvena ife gore a plava dolje.

Ok kak da stavim video na forum? koliki size mora bit?*

Zadnji popravljao dadaas (17-10-2011 22:04:39)

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Snimi sa Camtasiom ili nekim drugim programom (ima free, googlaj malo) i kada snimiš uploadaj na vimeo npr.

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sick redline bro big_smile
nesto jako ne stima cim je takva crvena i plava, trebalo bi bit obrnuto.
video bi razjasnio neke stvari

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