151

(4 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

ma cim sam ja deep, vise to čuvam. nesto kao zmaj i blago  big_smile 
pogresno, ali poradit cu na tome.

152

(4 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

villan 12/5/1.5   ostali statsi svi -, 3bet:0 itd..    64 hands

nemam pojma sta on ovdje moze cbetat pa 3betat. ne vjerujem da bi tako odigro FD.
ja sam ga stavio na 1010+, nevidim sto drugo moze odigrat na ovaj nacin osim made hand.
JJ bitam, ostalo pusiona.

mozda fold nije ispravan, ali sam imo bas los filing a i skrtario sam deep  big_smile

____________________                  

PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.25

CO (money_tra1n) ($62.55)
BTN ($26.78)
SB ($25)
BB ($30.97)
UTG ($28.07)

Dealt to CO (money_tra1n)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.35)

UTG folds, CO (money_tra1n) raises to $0.75, BTN folds, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.5

Flop: (Pot is $2.25, 3 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png
SB bets $1.61, BB folds, CO (money_tra1n) raises to $5.25, SB raises to $11.57, CO (money_tra1n) folds,

                                                                     
Total Pot: $12.75 | Rake: $0.57

Winners:
SB wins $12.18

153

(6 odgovora, objavljenih u Srednji limiti)

a check behind na flopu pa reevaluate turn? ipak imamo showdown value.
zanima me jel ta opcija dolazi u obzir i dali je ok play.

a as played, ja bi fold. ili je set ili made hand sa FD-om ili kombo SD/FD, s tim da ovdje najmanje ocekujem set.

154

(38 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

evo sa jednog sajta

Our opponent has bet $20 into an $80 pot making it $100.
This means we have to call $20 to stand a chance of winning $100.
This makes our odds $100:$20 which works out to equal 5:1 pot odds.

ne pise 20 u 120 = 6:1 nego 20 u 100 = 5:1

a equity = 20/120 = 16,5% da bi bio BE

16,5 x 100 = 1650
83,5 x 20 = 1650

155

(38 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

dfable napisao:

Pa ako gledamo 22 za 52 onda je točno 30%.Ali ne može ti onda i za 22 u 76 biti 30%.

jasno, ali napiso sam gore

whitewalk3r napisao:

mislim da je ovaj prvi tocan za izracunat POT ODDS (pot bez naseg calla), a kad dodamo naš call (+1 aka 22,85) dobivamo equity potreban za call.

ovaj 22 u 52 je samo da dobijemo POT ODDS 2,25:1

a ovaj drugi 22/74 za izracun equitija = 30%
pa opet kad pogledas, 30% dobivas 70% gubis = 1:2,25 underdog

tako da nam trebaju pot oddsi od barem 2,25:1 za BE

nek netko drugi proba pojasnit bolje da znamo na čemu smo  big_smile

156

(38 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

ja jos uvijek mislim da mi za nasih 22 dobivamo 52
30 * 52 = 1550 dobivamo
70 * 22 = 1550 gubimo

30% BE

ulazes 22 da dobijes 52 u potu a ne da dobijes 74. sto se tice pot oddsa. barem po onom sto sam izvuko od wiltaOnTilta  big_smile
sutra cu pogledat ostatak serija pa cu znat bolje.

157

(38 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

dfable napisao:

Ovo ti je krivo.
Ako moraš dati npr. $50 za $100, koliko posto moraš biti dobar da call bude BE? Ili $50 za $50?

50 za 100 = 2:1 POT ODDS, 1/2+1 = 33% equity za call
ili 2 nacin
50/150 = 33% equity za call

ako imas 33% equity (2:1 underdog) - 2 puta ces spušit, jednom dobit. 2 puta spusis 50$ = 100$, jednom dobijes 100$ i break even si sa 33% equitija.

158

(38 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

dfable napisao:
hendrixjimmi napisao:

a)  74,15$  znači da trebamo    22,85/74,15  =  0,308  (30%)
b)  56,05$  znači da trebamo    22,85/56,05  =  0,407  (40%)   eequtya za call

Kako si ovo dobio?

Uložiti $22,85 za dobiti $74,15 znači da nam se nude pot oddsi od 3,25:1. Preračunano u equity to je 23,5%. Tj. treba nam 23,5% da play bude BE.

ja to proucavam zadnja dva dana i mislim da ima dva nacina da dobijes equity potreban za call

1. uloziti 22,85 za dobiti 51,3 sto znaci da nam se nude pot oddsi 2,25:1, preracunato u equity 1/2,25+1 = 0,30 ---> 30%
2. uloziti 22,85 za dobiti 74,15 sto znaci da nam je equity 22,85/74,15 = 0,30 ---> 30%

mislim da je ovaj prvi tocan za izracunat POT ODDS (pot bez naseg calla), a kad dodamo naš call (+1 aka 22,85) dobivamo equity potreban za call.
a ovaj drugi se koristi za direkt izracun equitija. u potu je i nas call (22,85).
barem koliko sam ja uspio skuzit ova dva dana  big_smile

159

(38 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

eo do showdowna  big_smile

pokerstove

Board: Ad 2c Qc

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     34.662%      34.66%     00.00%                313             0.00   { KcJc }
Hand 1:     64.673%      64.67%     00.00%                584             0.00   { AhQs }
Hand 2:     00.664%      00.66%     00.00%                  6             0.00   { 8c7c }

____________________                  

PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.25

SB ($25.85)
BB ($27.46)
UTG ($21.45)
MP ($25.6)
CO ($28.47)
BTN (money_tra1n) ($52.8)

Dealt to BTN (money_tra1n)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.35)

UTG calls $0.25, MP & CO fold, BTN (money_tra1n) raises to $1, SB calls $0.9, BB calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.75

Flop: (Pot is $4, 4 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2, BTN (money_tra1n) calls $2, SB raises to $7.75, BB folds, UTG raises to $20.45 (All-In), BTN (money_tra1n) folds, SB calls $12.7

Turn: (Pot is $46.9, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png

River: (Pot is $46.9, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png

Showdown:
SB shows
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png
(Two Pair, Aces and Queens)

UTG shows
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png
(Flush, Queen high)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $46.9 | Rake: $2

Winners:
UTG wins $44.9

160

(38 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

UTG: 36 - 7 - 5,7 - 3bet:9,1, donk bet: 40% WTSD:13
SB: 38 - 29 - 0,6 - 3bet:25

mali uzorak, utg 60 hendova, sb 35.

ja sam skoro stisnuo call, ali sam se onda sjetio AcXc pa odusto.

kako da si izracuna equity otprilike u toj minuti koliko imam vremena?
gledam tu odds chart, sa 13 outsa imam 48% sanse da cu pogodit sa 2 karte iza, odnosno 1.1 : 1.
po tome mi se totalno isplati call. ali ne znam kako da smanjim te sanse ovisno o njihovom rangeu?

161

(38 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

jel gurate ovdje?

____________________                  

PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.25

SB ($25.85)
BB ($27.46)
UTG ($21.45)
MP ($25.6)
CO ($28.47)
BTN (money_tra1n) ($52.8)

Dealt to BTN (money_tra1n)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.35)

UTG calls $0.25, MP & CO fold, BTN (money_tra1n) raises to $1, SB calls $0.9, BB calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.75

Flop: (Pot is $4, 4 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2, BTN (money_tra1n) calls $2, SB raises to $7.75, BB folds, UTG raises to $20.45 (All-In)
Hero???

162

(4 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

zarinjo napisao:

zasto betas ti dva streta za value ili bluf ako ces foldat river..to je pitanje,a ne zasto on sava river

kao da sam ja znao da ce on napravit shove, a i ne razmisljam o toj mogucnosti kad krenem sa nekakvim planom na flopu. nisam jos toliko dobar da u glavi imam 7 scenarija a posebno ovaj shove medju njima koji se desava jednom u 3 sessiona.

163

(4 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

kao sto je u naslovu nisam siguran dali je njegov play na riveru za value ili bluff.
stavio sam ga na poket pair ili flush draw, posebno nakon sto je napravio c/r pa c/c turn.
valjda bi K raiso na turnu zbog FD.
onda pak na riveru, ovaj donk shove mi nije jasan. jel hitnuo set tj. full ili je missani draw nemam pojma.
malo mi je falilo da napravim hero call.

jel ispravno razmisljanje ili idem u krivom smjeru?

villan: 24 20 3,7 // cbet:69

____________________                  

PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.10
Big Blind: $0.25

BB ($25.35)
UTG ($25)
MP (money_tra1n) ($28.52)
CO ($35.67)
BTN ($16.6)
SB ($20.67)

Dealt to MP (money_tra1n)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9C.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.35)

UTG raises to $0.75, MP (money_tra1n) calls $0.75, CO & BTN & SB & BB fold

Flop: (Pot is $1.85, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png
UTG checks, MP (money_tra1n) bets $1.25, UTG raises to $2.75, MP (money_tra1n) calls $1.5

Turn: (Pot is $7.35, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png
UTG checks, MP (money_tra1n) bets $4, UTG calls $4

River: (Pot is $15.35, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7H.png
UTG bets $17.5 (All-In), MP (money_tra1n) folds,

                                                                     
Total Pot: $15.35 | Rake: $0.69

Winners:
UTG wins $14.66

164

(21 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

ja volim komentare, 100 puta bolje nego kad dobijem 2 odgovora.

i sam znam da netrebam imati ne znam kakav thinking proces za NL10.
ali uskoro prelazim na NL25 pa zelim sto vise komentara da popravim razmisljanje koje ce svakim limitom biti sve vaznije.

165

(21 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

hendrixjimmi napisao:

Tu gotovo nikada nema fd, oe ili nešto slično, dakle JJ+, kao što sa rekao u prvom komentaru!

da sad mi je jasnije, kad flat calla 3bet sa SB range mu se smanjuje na broadwaye i broadway pokete, samim tim su sanse za FD puno manje. moram pocet malo vise razmisljat o rangeu po poziciji i opcenito o rangeu..

166

(18 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

u mojoj prethodnoj temi AQ - 3bet pot sam dobio odgovor da je AQ na c/r cisti fold posto SB flat calla 3bet sa jakim handovima
i da skoro nista ne bitam.

pak ovdje kazete da je ovo cisti shove, a ovaj frajer ima 3% 3bet i jos je 3bet sa SB-a. bolji igrac od ovog iznad.
sta ja ovdje bitam ako je njegov range 3%? aposlutno nista, osim bluff i FD.
da netko stavi skoro cijeli stack za bluff na NL10 ili radi ovakav c/r sa AJ nisam siguran.

i ja sam stavljo u poker stove range, i dobio da smo 53 - 47 za njega.
bez KJ AJ...
mozda sam pretjero sa 3+% ali mi je izgledao stvarno tight.

e sad, s obzirom na equity jer ispravno napraviti shove kad sam vec stavio 25bb u pot?
pretpostavljam da je  big_smile

167

(18 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

jel dobro odigrano?

villan SB, 17 16 4, 3bet:3,8 cbet:33, c/r:33
- 60 handova

____________________                  

PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

CO ($10)
BTN (money_tra1n) ($17.94)
SB ($10)
BB ($10)
UTG ($4.55)

Dealt to BTN (money_tra1n)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG & CO fold, BTN (money_tra1n) raises to $0.35, SB raises to $1, BB folds, BTN (money_tra1n) calls $0.65

Flop: (Pot is $2.1, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3D.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JS.png
SB checks, BTN (money_tra1n) bets $1.5, SB raises to $6, BTN (money_tra1n) folds,

                                                                     
Total Pot: $5.1 | Rake: $0.23

Winners:
SB wins $4.87




168

(21 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

ok, ne 3betam vise za value di nema value  big_smile
thx

169

(21 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

Andre_787 napisao:

to ja tebe pitam big_smile ako je za value sa cim slabijim ocekujes da calla?

on nije bio prvotni rejzer, al ajde kad bolje razmislim da je bio na SB sa nicim slabijim valjda, osim JJ  big_smile

170

(21 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

Andre_787 napisao:

zasto 3bet pre?

za value?

171

(21 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

znaci zajebo sam  big_smile
imo je JJ, fala obojci...

172

(21 odgovora, objavljenih u Mali limiti)

dali je ovo standardno/dobro odigrano ili ne?
ja sam ga stavio na draw...

villan: 29 16 2,2 - mali sample 39 handova

____________________                  

PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.05
Big Blind: $0.10

CO ($8.57)
BTN (money_tra1n) ($10)
SB ($16.3)
BB ($8.92)
UTG ($14.79)

Dealt to BTN (money_tra1n)
http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.15)

UTG raises to $0.3, CO folds, BTN (money_tra1n) raises to $0.95, SB calls $0.9, BB & UTG fold

Flop: (Pot is $2.3, 2 players)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png
SB checks, BTN (money_tra1n) bets $1.75, SB raises to $3.9, BTN (money_tra1n) raises to $9.05 (All-In), SB calls $5.15

Turn: (Pot is $20.4, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png    http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png

River: (Pot is $20.4, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png   http://hr.pokerpro.cc/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png

                                                                     
Total Pot: $20.4 | Rake: $20.4

173

(4 odgovora, objavljenih u Poker Transakcije)

pare su sjele. 219$ sam isplatio, dobio sam 214$.
trajalo je 6 dana.

hvala cropokeru na pomoci. ako nekog zanimaju pojedinosti oko wire transfera nek se slobodno javi.

174

(4 odgovora, objavljenih u Poker alati)

vidim da ljudi spominju da kupuju handove. postoje i sajtovi koji se bavem tim.
cini mi se pametno nabavit par K handova prije prelaska na veci limit.

zanima me vase misljenje o tome. dali se netko sa istih limita mjenja za handove, mozda kupujete itd...

175

(4 odgovora, objavljenih u Poker Transakcije)

cropoker500 napisao:

IBAN i SWIFT ce ti dat u banci, zapravo, trebao bi ih nac online na stranicama od banke. Ne moras otvarat novi devizni racun.
Koja banka si?

rajfajzen

idem bas pogledat online.