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Tilt napisao:

ja uvijek na karticu isplacujem, iako je bolje na bank acc jer nemas ogranicenje, na karticu je max parsto $ po isplati pa sam cesto moro isplacivat vise puta zaredom, i onda ti mb na svaku isplatu udari onu proviziju od 2$ il koliko vec.. Al eto ja lijen dodat bank acc, pa stalno radim na karticu..

zakaj si ne otvorite devizni racun u $,brze i jednostavnije od MB i nema provizije nit limita (jedino placas neku sicu vodjenje racuna 2put godisnje)

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Pa i imamo devizni racun u $, onda s mb isplacujemo na njega...

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zakaj ne izravno s sajta na devizni?

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RufMichAn666 napisao:

Usrano je to callat preflop. Pretpostavljam da ne otvarate sire s UTG-a od ovog: 22+, ATs+, KJs+, AJo+, KQo.

AQo protiv tog range-a ima 47% equity-a sto znaci da je -EV call,a AQs ima 50% equity-a sto je opet banana jer si postflop oop.

+1

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milac napisao:

ja nikad. call/3b za value, osim ak nije stvarno neki nit sto 22/19 nije (bilo bi zgodno vidjet EP pfr)

RufMichAn666 napisao:

Usrano je to callat preflop. Pretpostavljam da ne otvarate sire s UTG-a od ovog: 22+, ATs+, KJs+, AJo+, KQo.

AQo protiv tog range-a ima 47% equity-a sto znaci da je -EV call,a AQs ima 50% equity-a sto je opet banana jer si postflop oop.

To je obj za call.
A 3b je najgora opcija u ovoj situaciji i nikako  nemozes rec da je za value. Nista losije ne calla tvoj 3b SBvsUTG. Tako da je u toj situaciji isti kurac imao ti AQ ili A3.

Zadnji popravljao xViP (10-01-2011 14:04:53)

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deco99 napisao:

zakaj ne izravno s sajta na devizni?

Zato jer je lakše prebacivati s sajta na sajt (ako igraš na više njih).

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RufMichAn666 napisao:

Jel valja ova racunica?
Stavio sam rangeve u pstove,imam 38% eq u odnosu na njegov turn shove range.
Za primjer sam uzeo da ja betam 20 na turnu,a on gura cijeli stack,sto mi daje pot oddse 3.5:1
Uzevsi u obzir moj eq ddsi da dobijem hend su 1.6:1
3.5:1 > 1.6:1 sto znaci da je call shove na turnu profitabilan ili koji k,jel se to tako racuna? Nisam dobar matematicar...

equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     38.864%      38.86%     00.00%                513             0.00   { 2d2h }
Hand 1:     61.136%     61.14%     00.00%                807             0.00   { AcAd, AcAh, AcAs, KcKd, KcKh, KcKs, QcQd, QcQh, QcQs, 77, 33, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, KcQc, KcJc, KcTc, QcJc, QcTc, JcTc, Ac7d, Ac7h, Ac7s }

Izgubio sam se...

Računaj to ovako:
ti moraš callati x za pot od y.
x/y= % kolko minimalno moraš imati da bi call bio isplativ..

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RufMichAn666 napisao:

Usrano je to callat preflop. Pretpostavljam da ne otvarate sire s UTG-a od ovog: 22+, ATs+, KJs+, AJo+, KQo.

AQo protiv tog range-a ima 47% equity-a sto znaci da je -EV call,a AQs ima 50% equity-a sto je opet banana jer si postflop oop.

Ma nema ti to veze. Večinu handova on ne može igrati "jako" osim ako ne pogodi monstera. A dosta handova dominiraš.
AQo se može foldati protiv velikog tightera. AQs nebi nikad foldao.

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roba59 napisao:

Ma nema ti to veze. Večinu handova on ne može igrati "jako" osim ako ne pogodi monstera. A dosta handova dominiraš.
AQo se može foldati protiv velikog tightera. AQs nebi nikad foldao.

Kak većinu handova ne moze igrat jako? U poziciji je, ako flopaš par, a on ima underpar, teško ćeš dobit value. Ako ne flopaš par (većinu vremena) moraš ili foldat ili blefirat UTG rejzera za kojeg znaš da ima jak range (a blefiramo kad villain ima slab range jel). Ne dominiraš "dosta handova", dominiraš eventualno AJ/ATs/KQ od kojih ćeš dobit max 2 beta. Tebe dominiraju AK, AA, AK i QQ koji mogu uzet 3 streeta valuea od tebe.

Da se razumijemo, standard UTG opening range je 11% (22, AJ+, ATs+, KQ). Bez nekog reada svaka čast ak mozeš protiv tog rangea AQ odigrat profitabilno OOP. Ako villain ima range 15,20% - druga priča.

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gmiko napisao:
roba59 napisao:

Ma nema ti to veze. Večinu handova on ne može igrati "jako" osim ako ne pogodi monstera. A dosta handova dominiraš.
AQo se može foldati protiv velikog tightera. AQs nebi nikad foldao.

Kak većinu handova ne moze igrat jako? U poziciji je, ako flopaš par, a on ima underpar, teško ćeš dobit value. Ako ne flopaš par (većinu vremena) moraš ili foldat ili blefirat UTG rejzera za kojeg znaš da ima jak range (a blefiramo kad villain ima slab range jel). Ne dominiraš "dosta handova", dominiraš eventualno AJ/ATs/KQ od kojih ćeš dobit max 2 beta. Tebe dominiraju AK, AA, AK i QQ koji mogu uzet 3 streeta valuea od tebe.

Da se razumijemo, standard UTG opening range je 11% (22, AJ+, ATs+, KQ). Bez nekog reada svaka čast ak mozeš protiv tog rangea AQ odigrat profitabilno OOP. Ako villain ima range 15,20% - druga priča.

Gmika za predsjednika!
big_smile Samo se slazem s njegovim misljenjem da se roba ne bi naljutio

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gmiko napisao:

standard UTG opening range je 11%

To je tight opening range..  Večina na mojim limitima ima 15+. I to ogromna večina.

gmiko napisao:

a blefiramo kad villain ima slab range jel

Ne, nego kad će večinu range-a baciti...

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Mozda je "tight" ali je standard ako nemaš nekakve posebne uvjete na stolu (tipa tight igrači iza tebe, fish u BB etc.) i ne moraš igrati A4s/76s type handove za deception value. Obv, ovisi o limitu i milijun stvari.

Mislim da je logično da će villain većinu rangea baciti kad mu je range slab.

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gmiko napisao:

Mislim da je logično da će villain većinu rangea baciti kad mu je range slab.

Riba neće, a nit će baciti puno toga i kad mu je range jak.

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Pa dobro, zato znamo da se ribe ne blefaju. smile

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roba59 napisao:
deco99 napisao:

zakaj ne izravno s sajta na devizni?

Zato jer je lakše prebacivati s sajta na sajt (ako igraš na više njih).

ja imam u kn MB pa dok tak prebacivam gubim dosta(zbog promjene valute usd-kn-usd) zadni put sam izgubil oko 10-15$..se moze to promjenit da mi bude MB u dolarima ne kn?

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Ne mozes

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peh

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Par hendova od danas...


1.Check turn for value   smile
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

CO ($50.06)
BTN (Hero) ($54.83)
SB ($50)
BB ($83.01)
UTG ($95.86)
MP ($175.2)

Dealt to BTN (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG & MP & CO fold, BTN (Hero) raises to $1.5, SB raises to $5, BB folds, BTN (Hero) calls $3.5

Flop: (Pot is $10.5, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png
SB bets $6, BTN (Hero) calls $6

Turn: (Pot is $22.5, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png
SB checks, BTN (Hero) checks

River: (Pot is $22.5, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png
SB checks, BTN (Hero) bets $11, SB raises to $39 (All-In), BTN (Hero) calls $28

Showdown:
BTN (Hero) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png
(Two Pair, Aces and Sixes)

SB shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png
(Two Pair, Kings and Sixes)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $100.5 | Rake: $3

Winners:
BTN (Hero) wins $97.5





2. Tu sam sjebo bet sizing slucajno kad mi je skliznula ruka s misa,htio sam 22,a rejzo sam do neba
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

SB ($50)
BB ($20.36)
UTG ($89.63)
CO ($57.42)
BTN (Hero) ($79.72)

Dealt to BTN (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG folds, CO raises to $1.5, BTN (Hero) calls $1.5, SB folds, BB calls $1

Flop: (Pot is $4.75, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png
BB bets $2.37, CO raises to $7.24, BTN (Hero) raises to $28.84, BB folds, CO raises to $55.92 (All-In), BTN (Hero) calls $27.08

Turn: (Pot is $118.96, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png

River: (Pot is $118.96, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6S.png

Showdown:
CO shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png
(One Pair, Sixes)

BTN (Hero) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png
(Four of a Kind, Sixes)

                                                                     
Total Pot: $118.96 | Rake: $3

Winners:
BTN (Hero) wins $115.96





3. Squeeze squeezera koji je light squeezao izorejzera koji je light izorejzao limpera big_smile
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

MP ($83.2)
CO ($103.47)
BTN ($70.49)
SB (Hero) ($50.93)
BB ($50)
UTG ($47.75)

Dealt to SB (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG calls $0.5, MP raises to $2.5, CO folds, BTN raises to $8, SB (Hero) raises to $16, BB & UTG & MP & BTN fold

                                                                     
Total Pot: $27.5

Winners:
SB (Hero) wins $27.5




4. Što bi vi ovdje protiv 20/17, F3B=27, AFQ=32, 530 hendova?
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Holdem Manager, No-Limit Hold'em Ring
Small Blind: $0.25
Big Blind: $0.50

BB ($50.98)
UTG ($147.79)
CO ($154.7)
BTN (Hero) ($106.02)
SB ($51.75)

Dealt to BTN (Hero)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: $0.75)

UTG raises to $1.75, CO folds, BTN (Hero) raises to $5.5, SB & BB fold, UTG calls $3.75

Flop: (Pot is $11.75, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png
UTG checks, BTN (Hero) bets $7, UTG calls $7

Turn: (Pot is $25.75, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png
UTG checks, BTN (Hero) checks

River: (Pot is $25.75, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9H.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png
UTG bets $14.5

                                                                     
Total Pot: $40.25 | Rake: $40.25

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e to mi se više sviđa smile

When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
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imaš bluffcatchera ali moje mišljenje je da si beatan ovdje..AK sa Ks ili KsQs mu je u rangeu i mogao bi ovako odigrati...
zanima me mišljenje iskusnijih svakako smile

If the player is unlikely to pay you off,
he's a prime candidate to get bluffed!
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fold

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roba59 napisao:
RufMichAn666 napisao:

Jel valja ova racunica?
Stavio sam rangeve u pstove,imam 38% eq u odnosu na njegov turn shove range.
Za primjer sam uzeo da ja betam 20 na turnu,a on gura cijeli stack,sto mi daje pot oddse 3.5:1
Uzevsi u obzir moj eq ddsi da dobijem hend su 1.6:1
3.5:1 > 1.6:1 sto znaci da je call shove na turnu profitabilan ili koji k,jel se to tako racuna? Nisam dobar matematicar...

equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     38.864%      38.86%     00.00%                513             0.00   { 2d2h }
Hand 1:     61.136%     61.14%     00.00%                807             0.00   { AcAd, AcAh, AcAs, KcKd, KcKh, KcKs, QcQd, QcQh, QcQs, 77, 33, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, KcQc, KcJc, KcTc, QcJc, QcTc, JcTc, Ac7d, Ac7h, Ac7s }

Izgubio sam se...

Računaj to ovako:
ti moraš callati x za pot od y.
x/y= % kolko minimalno moraš imati da bi call bio isplativ..

Moram još nadodati da je y = ukupni pot + x, tj. ukupni pot kad callaš.

Recimo da su efektivni stackovi 100$.
Bila je neka akcija i sad je na turnu pot 60$ (ostalo vam je po 70$).
Ako betaš 20$, on zgura i ti moraš callati $50
x=$50
y=$200 ($60(pot)+$20(tvoj bet)+70$(njegov shove)+$50(kolko moraš callati))

Ovdje moraš imati barem 25$ equity-a da ti call bude profitabilan.

*radi jednostavnosti ne ubrajamo rake

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Hvala na detaljnom objasnjenju wink

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Ovako nisam u zivotu tiltao,igram sad i odjednom dok sam u velikom potu svi stolovi mi se zamrznu i jos na jednom stolu sam 3betao i sve se zbrejka. Sve sam svece s neba poskidao,ovo nije normalno,ne znam jesam dobio ili izgubio na showdownu i sad nemam te hendove u HEM-u.
Jos ovaj EV mi je potpuno ne razumljiv,evo danas odem 2put AI,jednom preflop,jednom na flopu i oba puta udjem kao favorit(75.4% i 56.8%), a on meni biljezi da runnam iznad EV-a za stack i pol u ovom sessionu(nijedan drugi AI nije bio osim ta 2).

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Pa runnaš iznad EV-a ako si dobio oba dva handa. Neka je pot $10, ti češ po EV dobiti $7,54 a winningsi če ti skočit za $10. Kužiš?

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