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dunjari1965 placam ti 500 dolara da mi objasnis kako triple range mergeat. javi se na
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/misc.p … ver_id=598

127

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lovac, aj sad iskreno, jesi ti internet troll, meni se čini da ti sve nas dobro zajebasvaš tu mjesecima i smiješ se. klasičan canibal troll  big_smile

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Odi igrat na ongame ili neki slični eurosite, nema potrebe da sa 20 dolara pokušavaš nešto na starsu

129

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a taman Prahlad Friedman potpisao za njih, sick

130

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volum ti je jako malen, gle tek kad napravis nekih 100k ruku moze se pricat o dobrom sampleu, imas npr vrhunskih igraca koji su breakeven i runnaju ko posrani golubovi na 100k, tako da i to je dvojbeno, ali mislim da je 100k ruku sasvim dovoljno za dublje analize igre.

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Ja ne znam što je toliko loše savjetovati početniku da izbaci dvojbene handove sa mp na petici. Nema to nikakve veze sa nitanjem, eto digao je i pogledaj sta je napravio na flopu, ne kazem da ti nebi trebao dizati to sa mp, nego igraci koji tek pocinju igrati nemaju sta imati te handove u rangeu. Uostalom, ajde bas vidi u hemu dal imas profit sa malim suited konektorima iz utg-mp?

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evo ti moji notesi iz serijala bluefire, alan jackson amateur to pro, preflop play. Jako sam retardirano pisao, i puno gramatičkih grešaka, zato nemoj se smijat big_smile al nadam se da ce pomoci. Bitno: ovo ti je okvirno sve, i naravno da ovisi o protivniku, a i autor filmica je klasican tag, koji svoju igru ne bazira na poker genijalnosti  i non sd w, nego na analizama, konstantnosti, low variance playu i slicno. Ima lifetime winingse preko pola milijuna dolara, tako da je ok za procitat/pogledat za nas koji igramo ispod nl 100

UTG Range:
22+, ATs+, A5s-A2s, KQs, AQ+, Kqo
Middle Position Range:
Isto kao i UTG. Poprilično ništa puno se ne mjenja.
Cut Off:
Range sa ove pozicije najviše ovisi o postotku fold to steal statusa igrača koji imaju poziciju na nama, i koliko često/agresivno defendaju na naš steal.
100% Open range iz Cut off-a, bez obzira vs kog igramo:
22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,Kqo
Kad širimo range gledamo na 3 stvari kad biramo ruke s kojima širimo range:
1)    High Card potencijal
2)    S/oS
3)    Connection
Mozemo otvorit širi range, koji iznosi oko 24% handova, i proširit ga do 33% ovisno o protivnicima na BTN i Blindovima, ali više se oslanjamo na suited karte. Suited karte nam daju mogučnost da odigramo multiple barrele zbog equitija koje nam daju na flopu, a ne zbog  toga što se nadamo flopanju flusha/flush drawa.
22+,A2s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,75s+,65s,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+,Jto
Button:
Igra na ovoj poziciji ovisi najviše o fold/defend igrača na SB/BB. (vazni stats, fold to steal sb/bb, ako zbrojimo ta dva postotka, te ako njihov zbroj je veci od 145 onda možemo proširiti naš steal range sa btn-a i do 60% handova)

Cold calling:
TT-22,AQs-ATs,KJs+,QJs,AQo-ATo,Kqo Moramo paziti i na to koliko su blindovi squeez raspolozeni pa prema tome možemo callati sa premiumima umjesto da 3betamo, i trapat ih.
Small Blind:
77+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,A9o+,KJo+,QTJo+,Jto
Tu je kritičan status fold to steal sb vs bb. Mnogi igrači imaju velikih problema sa small pocket pairsima od 22-66. Ako BB ima visok fold to steal stats onda možemo proširiti range. Paziti na razliku između BB Fold to steal i BB fold to steal vs SB.
Big Blind Cold Call:
Ne isplati se 3betat sa premium parovima i AK, bolje je zadržati slabije handove u igri. Range je tu poprilično thight. Vs UTG/MP opena smo jako thight, i igramo mal postotak ruku.
Cold calling range vs CO open:
JJ-22,AQs-ATs,KQs,AQo
Ovisno koliko je thight CO, možemo u range ubacit AJo, KQo, ovisi dosta i o c/f fold, fold cb vs raise i sličnim statsima.
Cold calling range vs BTN open:
Najlakše, i najbolje za našu igru je uspoređivati BTN open range, sa rangeom koji dominira taj open range, i igrati se sa rukama, u poker stoveu. Naravno, BTN open range ovisi od igrača do igrača. Ali najčešće je oko 21-33%.
22+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,ATo+,Kqo
Cold calling range vs UTG open:
TT-77,AQs-ATs,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,AJo,Kqo

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codexnox napisao:

Mislim ,kad zeli ici spavati i neda mi se igrat,zar onda moraju biti sIck ruke!?


omg,best hand everrrrr lmao

lol  lol  lol

nakon ovog handa te oslovljavam sa prefiksom GOSPODIN, i dok god si na ovom forumu imaš "Vi" od mene. Ti si naš ponos, kao zastava.

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Malo se previše levelaš za nl 5, valuebet valuebet valuebet. Prvo, 67 sa mp je fold preflop. Drugo, ako je vec dosao Axxr flop, onda je ovo 100% cb, ovaj c/c je totalno loš play, sa mp te ovaj flop jako pogađa, to ti je klasicna bet/fold situacija.

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mladost ne opravdava besvest

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40 stolova sng asu, to je najbolje

137

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čestitam gospodine čurić!

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Rear_Admiral napisao:

Edit: Ne znam što si napravio s handom.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?6100080

o jebem ti sve smile)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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fold preflop

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gg

141

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Igraj na ongameu, jako su soft igre, imas brdo dobrih modova na 2p2 ako ti je gadan ( a je) ovaj orginalni sa sitea, je da ti je rb manji, ali ako si wining igrac bit ce ti isto tipa da igras na nekom siteu sa brdo rb profica i na ongameu, sto se tice winratea

142

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roba59 napisao:

Kad sam OOP dosta rijetko bez handa cbetam. Jer večina igrača voli floatati i onda treba na turnu razmišljati dal se isplati barrelati ili ne, a za to nemam vremena na 16 stolova. A znam i nekad c/r protivnika za kojeg mislim da će betati 100% range-a kad mu chekiram.

Kad sam IP onda ne cbetam wet flopove i slabi TP, MP i BP.

A zna se i desiti da čekiram jer imam puno akcije na drugim stolovima pa ni ne skužim da sam bio PFR.

Gledao sam neki video o donk betanju sa bluefirera, mislim da je bio teorijski. Uglavnom lik donkbeta ponekad semi bluffove (draws), a ponekad bottom range, samo nisam shvatio kada je bolje donkat drawove, a kad ih c/r. Kakva su tvoja iskustva s tim pošto si odigrao tonu handova... Znam da je dosta opširna tema, ali ako bi mogao napisati rečenicu dvije o tom playu, thx

143

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Barca je u minusu 270 milijuna funti. Da postoji pravde taj ciganski klub bi bio oteran u 4 ligu

144

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roba59 napisao:

Stavio sam onako hand da vidim prave reakcije. Jer da sam ga ovako stavio, večina bi rekla da ništa ne predstavljam i da protivnik ima easy call. Protivnik je razmišljao do zadnje sekunde timebanka i callao. Meni je izgledalo ko da je callao iz očaja jer nije znao što je ispravna odluka, a nije htio baciti taj hand.

Moje razmišljanja:
Preflop:
Riba na CO je postala dead blind. Mislim da je preflop squeeze +EV tu jer će često oni tu foldati, a UTG će igrati straightforward jer smo deep.

Flop:
Prvo sam htio čekirati jer teško da u 4way potu nekog nije nešto pogodilo. Ali mi je onda palo na pamet da bi betom od 1/5 pota mogao dobiti dosta foldova i informacija. SB bi trebao foldati sve što nije TP+ (jer ima dvojicu iza sebe), UTG-a sam stavio na neki par s kojim je setmine-ao i pretpostavio da najčešće folda. A protiv ribe bi onda lako... smile

Turn:
Najmanje sam očekivao call od UTG-a. Kad je callao stavio sam ga na AQ,  KQ ili flush draw. Plan je bio betati dovoljno da mogu zgurati river a da nebude overbet, a da opet nebude previše kad ću morati foldati dok rejza.

River:
idealna karta za moj blef. Nisam ni sekunde razmišljao, jedino sam malo pustio vrijeme da ne pokupi nekakav read.

AK mu nikad nisam stavio u range jer sam mislio da bi u jednom trenutku taj hand agresivnije odigrao (ili preflop, ili na flopu ili na turnu).

Kako bi odigrao na
1) blank turnu
2) blank riveru

Bas me zanima. Inace zanimljiv hand jako

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Jako zanimljiva tema, što vi mislite o ovom?

Over the course of the next week or so, I am going to release a few blogs that aim to start a discussion on what we need to do as players to get poker ready for legalization. I feel it is important to take a hard look at our industry and look for things we can do to help the public’s perception of our industry as a whole. Here is my first installment of what I believe we need to do as online poker players to clean up the game of poker:

Given the recent events in online poker, I’ve been giving a lot of thought to what the game should look like if and when it is legalized in the U.S. — and I do believe it will be legalized eventually.

To the outsider, today’s online poker must look like a patchwork hodge-podge with no hierarchy or obvious rule of law — the Wild, Wild West essentially (or an unregulated market run amok). It’s no one’s fault, as poker rooms and related businesses have filled obvious market needs.

But what’s worse is that when someone attempts to come in from the outside and join our community, they quickly surmise that they are in a caste system with insiders and disadvantaged outsiders (or high school run amok). Between our insider knowledge and vicious comments at the tables, we may be the only industry that actively discourages new customers.

All of this is to say that we desperately need a governing body. I’m as free-market as they come, but we need some organization to provide us with a sense of order. In the same way that kids secretly crave rules, I believe we (consciously or unconsciously) want a governing body. When a site acts in predatory fashion, what method do we have to sanction them? When a player behaves dubiously, how are they investigated and punished? A twoplustwo post?

How we arrive at a governing body will be the subject for another day, but I feel its first job should be to even the playing field, democratizing online poker so that everyone has the same shot at the brass ring. This may feel like socialization, but it really is good marketing. Yes, in the near term, an insider profits by having access to software and the like that a newcomer might now know about. But in the long term, the real money is in the sheer growth of the player pool, which can only happen if we attract and retain new participants.

In the business world they call it “churn.” Churn is the percentage of your customers who leave after trying your product. If for every one customer you add, you lose one customer, you’re just standing still. Poker rooms spend millions marketing to new customers in the interest of growing the player pool. Unfortunately, other mitigating factors are causing players to leave as quickly as they’re showing up.

Most people get their introduction to poker by either watching poker on television or playing in a home game with some friends. Since poker is such an awesome game, most people who give it a shot actually continue to play. I would bet the conversion rate for people who try out poker with their friends and then report back they like the game and would play it again in the future is astronomically high relative to most other games and/or products.

Many will want to learn more about the strategy of the game and how they can maybe make a few bucks if they can improve. For most, it isn’t a passion, but they like the fact that they are competing using their cards and their mind. And because most don’t live around a casino or know enough people interested in poker to get a regular game, they’ll make the natural progression to the online game.

That’s when things get ugly.

The online-poker industry has had a way of catering, perhaps not intentionally, to those who are “in the know.” The average poker player logs on and is looking to play a few hands. He simply wants to enjoy the game. Little does he know the myriad ways he is at a disadvantage to the sharks around him. More than likely, he will log on and play without the following:

1. Tracking programs that statistically break down hand histories
2. Buddy finding" programs that find and direct the user towards weak opponents at the tables based on their poor performance on the saved-hand histories that sharks have.
3. Memberships to data-pooling websites that track all hands played across the various online poker rooms that tell players about opponents they have never even played with.

The player logs in completely oblivious to all of this, and is at a disadvantage to many of the players around him who are “in the know.” Once this person realizes he’s being preyed upon, he is often going to be inclined to tell his friends that he’s been ripped off (even though that’s not entirely accurate). This is obviously not good for online poker.

Heads-Up Displays (HUD), hand history based tracking software and other for profit data pooling websites need to go

A HUD overlays stats on all of your opponents directly on the tables at which you’re sitting. As someone who’s used a HUD on and off over the years and has seen the evolution of various hand-history-based tracking software, I can say unequivocally I don’t like their presence in the game. While the recreational player isn’t literally being cheated, I believe that theoretically he is.

Now I know many people will disagree with this and cite that the major online poker rooms allow them and everyone has the same access to this technology. That is true. But the existence of this software — in fact, the necessity of this software — is not made apparent to the novice until it’s too late and he’s had a negative experience. Even if he becomes aware of it, he’s nonetheless disillusioned to find out that the practice of playing winning poker has been more or less automated. It’s far less a game of mind and skill than he imagined.

It wasn’t that long ago that one of the biggest impacts on your win rate was how pleasant of a time you could create for recreational players so they would be willing to come back. The late, great Chip Reese, who was famous for entertaining the fish, looked at himself a lot like an actor in a play. Give the people looking to sit down and be entertained a bad time, and they wouldn’t come back to see your show again. Make them feel at home, give them some laughs and they will come back for a good time in the future. That is the way it should be.

After all, the incomes of pros come exclusively, either directly or indirectly, from recreational players pumping money into the poker economy because they want to enjoy themselves. We really aren’t a whole lot different than any other person in the entertainment industry. And you know what, right now our show sucks.

In addition to the amateurs, do you know who else is being cheated? The best pros.

For several years now, as the popularity of these programs and websites have shrunk pros’ win rates by at least 50% on average. The programs are aiding players so much in the decision-making process, it has tremendously reduced the amount of skill needed to play the game. The programs practically scream the answers out loud to you. Some very mediocre poker minds have enjoyed quite a bit of success at the tables simply because they spent some time understanding their HUD.

In all sports, skill rather than equipment needs to be determining factor in winning. Look at how baseball regulates bats, golf legislates club making, and NASCAR monitors new technology in its racecars. As Michael Crichton wrote in “Jurassic Park,” “Just because we can do it doesn’t mean we should.” A sport in which one player can’t distance himself from the competition is a sport that’s doomed to fail. If success in poker is merely predicated on who best deciphers the sea of information that’s out there, we might as well be day traders.

Now, can you imagine if it was up to baseball players to legislate themselves? It’s safe to say that a democratization of the playing field would be slow in coming. And what if the only way they had to sanction a cheating player, or to affect any change in their industry, was to post on an online forum? It would be anarchy.

Practically speaking, the changes to online poker really need to come from a one overseeing body. The poker rooms themselves will never disallow this software and here is why: the fear that regulars who start games and create action (and therefore rake) will leave and go to sites where the programs and websites are allowed. In fact, any site that has either limited or prohibited the use of any of these programs has never had much success. It is far too risky business for any one online poker room to disallow these programs, and as a result, the recreational player will never be able to log on and play in the type of environment that he is expecting.

We need to make the online game more like real poker where you actually need to pay attention to the players around you and let your mind work on how to exploit what you saw at the poker tables, not some hand-history tracking program.

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jesi šta sprčio dok si igrao ovaj meč? lakše je sigurno uz hu, nego uz 10 mttova

147

(34 odgovora, objavljenih u Pitanja za početnike)

Ovo sa stotinu sati youtube filmica je bez uvrde najgluplji savjet ikad. To preskoci. Na wsopu je hrpa losih igraca cije ce poteze jos losije kkopirat. Ja ti savjetujem da odrais neki sitni posao zaradis 1200 kn, depositas i igras nl 5 na nekom euro siteu

148

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vidis da je big gambler!

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kero1987 napisao:

i ja pricam gluposti, IQ ovog foruma je fascinantan, ja fakat ne zelim biti  dio ove zajednice samo ne znam da li mi admin moze izbrisat account, kretenizam najveci, nisam u zivotu pročitao vise gluposti od raznih opskurnih likova kao tu

ajde odi vise, vec 10 puta si rekao da ides big_smile

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