76

(41 odgovora, objavljenih u Turniri)

eto mene s novim handom, ovo je mozda 10ta ruka micro stake turnira, bb ima statse 60/0/0
imam dva pitanja:
1)jel PF raise od 4.5BB-a dovoljan u pocetnoj fazi micro mtt-a sa AA
2)jesam li na turnu trebao chekirat
mislim da je callati njegov all in easy call s obzirom da imam 7 outsa ako zakljucim da ima flush, dakle zanima me jeli pf i turn raise dobar.
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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t15
Big Blind: t30

MP+1 (muva90) (t3105)
MP+2 (t4653)
CO (t2563)
BTN (t2900)
SB (t2540)
BB (t2655)
UTG (t2202)
UTG+1 (t6344)
MP (t3028)

MP+1 (muva90) has M value 69

Dealt to MP+1 (muva90)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png

Preflop: (Pot is: t45)

UTG & UTG+1 & MP fold, MP+1 (muva90) raises to t140, MP+2 folds, CO calls t140, BTN & SB fold, BB calls t110

Flop: (Pot is t435, 3 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png
BB checks, MP+1 (muva90) bets t450, CO folds, BB calls t450

Turn: (Pot is t1335, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png
BB checks, MP+1 (muva90) bets t1000, BB raises to t2065 (All-In), MP+1 (muva90) calls t1065

River: (Pot is t5465, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3D.png

Showdown:
MP+1 (muva90) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png
(Two Pair, Aces and Threes)

BB shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TH.png
(Flush, King high)

                                                                     
Total Pot: t5465

Winners:
BB wins t5465

77

(41 odgovora, objavljenih u Turniri)

povlačim ovo big_smile :

Muva napisao:

...obozavam poker  smile

oćete se ljutit ako ja ovu temu prenamjenim za trazenje savjeta i oko nekih drugih ruku?
npr. u drugoj ruci zanima me da li mi je raise na flopu i turnu bio dovoljan s obzirom da se radi o dosta loose igracu (zaboravih mu statse)
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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t100
Big Blind: t200

SB (t3228)
BB (muva90) (t2138)
UTG (t2976)
BTN (t5158)

BB (muva90) has M value 7.13

Dealt to BB (muva90)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png

Preflop: (Pot is: t300)

UTG folds, BTN raises to t412, SB calls t312, BB (muva90) raises to t2138 (All-In), BTN calls t1726, SB folds

Flop: (Pot is t4688, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png

Turn: (Pot is t4688, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png

River: (Pot is t4688, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8C.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/3D.png

Showdown:
BB (muva90) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AC.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png
(One Pair, Aces)

BTN shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QD.png
(Three of a Kind, Queens)

                                                                     
Total Pot: t4688

Winners:
BTN wins t4688

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t75
Big Blind: t150

UTG (muva90) (t4382)
BTN (t1585)
SB (t2795)
BB (t4738)

UTG (muva90) has M value 19.48

Dealt to UTG (muva90)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png

Preflop: (Pot is: t225)

UTG (muva90) raises to t412, BTN & SB fold, BB calls t262

Flop: (Pot is t899, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png
BB checks, UTG (muva90) bets t719, BB calls t719

Turn: (Pot is t2337, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png
BB checks, UTG (muva90) bets t1635, BB calls t1635

River: (Pot is t5607, 2 players)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png
BB checks, UTG (muva90) checks

Showdown:
UTG (muva90) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/9S.png
(One Pair, Nines)

BB shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/4D.png
(Straight, Eight high)

                                                                     
Total Pot: t5607

Winners:
BB wins t5607

78

(41 odgovora, objavljenih u Turniri)

evo mali update sa danasnjeg sng-a da ne bi pomislili da foldam KK smile

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PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t75
Big Blind: t150

SB (muva90) (t2116)
BB (t995)
UTG (t2260)
UTG+1 (t4335)
MP (t644)
CO (t2170)
BTN (t980)

SB (muva90) has M value 9.4

Dealt to SB (muva90)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: t225)

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t150, MP raises to t644 (All-In), CO calls t644, BTN raises to t980 (All-In), SB (muva90) raises to t2116 (All-In), BB & UTG+1 fold, CO calls t1472

Flop: (Pot is t6156, 4 players, 3 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png

Turn: (Pot is t6156, 4 players, 3 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png

River: (Pot is t6156, 4 players, 3 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/8H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/7C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/TC.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/JC.png

Showdown:
SB (muva90) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KS.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png
(One Pair, Kings)

MP shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5S.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QS.png
(High Cards, Ace Queen high)

CO shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AD.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png
(Three of a Kind, Aces)

BTN shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/QC.png
(One Pair, Queens)

                                                                     
Total Pot: t6156

Winners:
CO wins t6156

79

(41 odgovora, objavljenih u Turniri)

hehe smisno mi je kako znate da bi vi na njegovom mistu ispali davno prije tih AK a ipak je tardcina big_smile obozavam poker  smile

80

(41 odgovora, objavljenih u Turniri)

ocito je ima jebacki read, kad je folda, zar ne?

81

(41 odgovora, objavljenih u Turniri)

Zasto ako treba platiti jos 100 000 (ako ima toliko) da dobije 300 000, a sanse su protiv njega skoro 5:1 ?

82

(41 odgovora, objavljenih u Turniri)

da istina, ovo je najgrublja moguca racunica. faktor gluposti mislim da nije velik, tip je par ruku prije samo callao 3bb raise na buttonu sa JJ i pratio all in tek kad je na turnu dobio set. tako da su i po mojoj procjeni sanse da ima QQ malo manje a sanse da ima AA ili AK malo vece od matematickih smile

83

(41 odgovora, objavljenih u Turniri)

zamorano11 napisao:

koliko si mttova do sad odigra?

priznajem malo, malo da bi mi se ova situacija dogodila vise od 4,5 puta. al ovo je prvi put da mi je sa KK uopce palo na pamet foldat.

koste napisao:

Gledam taj video na youtube-u i vidim ovo

wtf  yikes ? jel ovo neka namjestaljka?

84

(41 odgovora, objavljenih u Turniri)

ok, vidim da ste svi složni oko toga da se KK preflop nikad ne folda.
a pošto nije bilo nikakve konkretne pro analize, odlučih se napravit svoju amatersku koristeći novostečeno znanje sa faksa tongue
Vi se svi oslanjate na podatak da je vjerojatnost da se dogodi situacija u kojoj vi imate KK a netko od ostalih 8 igrača AA mizernih 5636:1. Ali jednom kad vi imate u ruci KK, vjerojatnost da netko od ostalih 8 igrača ima AA je 25.5:1 ili nešto manje od 4 %. Takodjer jako mala vjerojatnost. Još kad uzmete u obzir da KK vs AA imaju oko 18% sanse izgubit cete od AA sa KK samo jednom u 31 put (naravno tu se podrazumijeva da svaki put dodjete do showdowna). Apsolutno razumijem vaš generalni stav i opraštam sprdnju pojedincima (koja je nhf mogla i biti malo bolja, valjda se u zurbi da budete prvi medju velikom konkurencijom koji ce napisati posprdni post izgubi dio humora tongue )

No gotovo sam siguran da lik ne bi 4beta s nicim osim sa QQ,AK,KK, i AA. Vjerojatnosti za te handove su redom:
1:204, 1:153, 1:1225 i 1: 204. Ako smo sigurni da je jedan od tih handova onda su vjerojatnosti redom:
28.6 %, 38.1%, 4.6 %, 28.6 %
QQ i AA se medjusobno ponistavaju, kao naravno i KK, i sto se toga tice na nuli smo. I ostaje ovih 38.1% za AK. AK beatamo u otprilike 69 % slučajeva. Dakle u 100 ovakvih ALL IN-a, teoretski bi bili u plusu, ali sa ne tako velikih, kao sto se naizgled cini 18% ROI. hehe ne znam kako da to drugcije opisem. nov sam u pokeru big_smile

p.s., za kraj big_smile :
p.s.p.s., i da sam ja bio siguran da ce mi pokazat hand ako foldam, folda bi  cool

85

(41 odgovora, objavljenih u Turniri)

PokerStars, No-Limit Hold'em Tournament
Small Blind: t40
Big Blind: t80
Ante: t10

CO (t2670)
BTN (t1809)
SB (muva90) (t5375)
BB (t7698)
UTG (t6245)
UTG+1 (t2278)
MP (t2980)
MP+1 (t3530)
MP+2 (t3290)

SB (muva90) has M value 25.6

Dealt to SB (muva90)
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png

Preflop: (Pot is: t210)

UTG raises to t160, UTG+1 folds, MP calls t160, MP+1 folds, MP+2 calls t160, CO & BTN fold, SB (muva90) raises to t1040, BB raises to t1920, UTG & MP & MP+2 fold, SB (muva90) raises to t5365 (All-In), BB calls t3445

Flop: (Pot is t11300, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png

Turn: (Pot is t11300, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png    http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png

River: (Pot is t11300, 2 players, 1 all-in)

http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6H.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/5D.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/6C.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2H.png   http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/2S.png

Showdown:
SB (muva90) shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/KC.png
(Two Pair, Kings and Sixes)

BB shows
http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AH.png http://www.pokerpro.com.hr/forum/extensions/hand_history_converter/HandHistoryConverter/images/AS.png
(Two Pair, Aces and Sixes)

                                                                     
Total Pot: t11300

Winners:
BB wins t11300

Pretpostavljam da na forumu vec postoji raprava o KK vs. AA, medjutim nisam je uspio pronaci, ali ova situacija mi je nekako specificna i ako postoji trenutak za foldati KK mislim da je to ovaj. Samo trazim potvrdu big_smile

Dakle, igra se The Big 11$ i nakon sat vremena ja sam se udupla sa AK>A9 na nekom ludjaku. Osim toga pokusa sam jos samo jedan pf raise sa TT ali kad me doceka ALL IN sa BB i folda san. I to sve u 50 ruku. I onda show brate. Dobijem KK, min raise sa UTG, dva CALLA, stol je dosta loose pa san se odlucija na poveci 3bet, i onda dobijem minimalni 4bet od tipa koji ima statse oko 22/6/6.

Sad kad bolje razmislim, zbog toga sta san bija ultra tight, a ni on nije ludjak, a i imam dovoljno chipova za nastavak, ovo je cisti fold. Ili mozda nije?

86

(107 odgovora, objavljenih u Ostala rasprava)

trebate snimit film o ovome i na tome zaradit pare koje vam duguje. Ja bi ga gleda jer bi mora bit za krepat od smijeha. Steta sta je pređo umro, on bi bija idealan headache. ili u engleskoj verziji onaj debeljko koji glumi delboya u muckama big_smile

sorry ljudima koje je pokro, vama vjerojatno nije smijesno sad

87

(61 odgovora, objavljenih u Staking)

cgreen napisao:

... (nije ko exponencijalno, al kad gledaš da su pare jednako opasno) ...

koliko ja znam ako duplas nesto n puta onda je to 2x2x...x2=2^n i to je exponencijalno...

88

(63 odgovora, objavljenih u Staking)

Da, ni ja ne kužim zašto ne mogu poslat PM a volio bih vam poslati svoj CV, mislim da bi vas zanimao...

89

(230 odgovora, objavljenih u PokerPro promocije)

Jel se na kraju može igrat Sng-ovi od 1$? jer ja ne mogu.

90

(20 odgovora, objavljenih u Ostala rasprava)

WOW  yikes

91

(230 odgovora, objavljenih u PokerPro promocije)

Uzeo sam ovaj free bankroll neki dan, i ide mi za sad dobro, reka bi predobro i zanima me jel ovaj graf normalan tj. sta znaci ova najdonja crta?
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/701/grafwj.jpg

92

(992 odgovora, objavljenih u Poker alati)

Bile napisao:

Mislim da bi namjestanje prefered seata trebalo riješiti problem...

i ja sam  mislio ali u ovoj mojoj verziji HEM-a, ne znam za ostale, preffered seat za IPOKER ne radi, tj. nema onog padajuceg menija ko kod drugih siteva...

93

(992 odgovora, objavljenih u Poker alati)

Može netko pomoć: Zasto mi se statsovi (na poker770) ne prikazuju kraj pravog igraca pa trebam za svaki stol rucno namjestat kraj svakog igraca svoju statistiku?

94

(26 odgovora, objavljenih u Poker alati)

E ljudi jel netko probao ovo http://www.holdemmanager.com/store/poker-sites.php , koliko sam shvatio, treba se preko njih registrirat i recimo u FullTiltu zaradit mizernih 250 FTP-a?! Zvuči mi malo predobro da bi bilo istinito. Naravno jedini je problem sta treba napravit novi account  roll